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I didn't hear that. I was just assuming what all the papers wrote a few weeks ago. If he keeps payroll at 51 mill it would be a joke because attendance was up and all that stuff and if he was willing to expand payroll a bit the Sox wouldn't have had to given up some of the prospects we did, such as Royce Ring. Heck, if they were gonna give away prospects to save money then they should of at least made kick ass offers to Veal and Moviel as our way of replacing the guys we dealt cause those two were top notch talents.

I'm going to conclude that Bartolo Colon is as good as gone and that the Sox payroll is going to be between 55 and 60 million. - Sox Trade Magglio Ordonez for Alfonso Soriano - Sox trade Joe Borchard, Matt Ginter, and Aaron Miles for Nick Johnson - Sox trade Paul Konerko to the LA Dodgers for a PTBNL - Sox sign Carl Everett to a 1 yr 5 mill deal - Sox sign Sidney Ponson to a 3 yr 21 mill deal - Sox sign a shortstop (Guzman/Aurilla/Jose) for 2 mill - Sox sign Jon Garland to a 3 yr 6 mill deal - Sox sign Mark Buehrle to a 4 yr 20 mill deal - Sox sign Carlos Lee to a 3 yr 18 mill deal (high estimate) - Sox sign Roberto Alomar or Fernando Vina for about 2.5-3 mill (less would be better..going to assume high) Lineup Roberto Alomar/Fernando Vina - 2nd (S or L) - 3 Mill Alfonso Soriano - CF ® - 2 Mill (I think it would be 1.2 mill) Nick Johnson - 1st - (l) - 500 K Frank Thomas - DH - ® - 6.5 Mill Carlos Lee - LF (You could swap Lee/Thomas) - ® - 6 Mill Carl Everett - RF - (s) - 5 Mill Joe Crede - 3rd - ® - 500 K Rich Aurilla/Christian Guzman/Jose Valentin - SS - (R or S or S) - 2 Mill Miguel Olivo - C - ® - 500K Total Payroll - 26 Million Rotation Buehrle (5 Mill) Loaiza (4 mill) Ponson (7 mill) Garland (2 mill) Scho (2 mill) Total Payroll - 20 Mill - 46 Mill Accumalative Bullpen Koch (6 mill) Marte (1 mill) Wunsch (750 K) Wright (500 K) Total Payroll - 8.25 Mill - 54.25 Mill Accumlative This leaves the Sox with 5.75 Million to bring in 2 veteran relievers. One would definately be someone like Sully/Shiggy/Hawkins and the other a lesser vet like Osuna or Chad Fox. - I have a feeling if the Sox put Koch on waivers that the Mets or Yankees would pick him up and take a chance, since their is no long term deal. But I don't want to assume that in this scenario cause many would consider that questionable. My theory is both teams are looking for closers and the Mets have Koch's former pitching coach while the Yanks are almost always willing to take risks on guys that were once good and still make a lot of money. Koch is just one year off a very impressive season. Plus both teams have definate voids in their pen. - If Koch is gone then the Sox have 11.75 mill to invest if the payroll is 60 mill in 3 relievers. I'd say the Sox would go with something like Hawkins, Sully, Osuna. You sign Hawkins at 4/5 mill per; Sully at a 2 yr 4 mill deal with an option for 2.5 mill and a 500 K buyout and then Osuna a 1 yr 1 mill deal or even 750 K with some incentives. Then the Sox use Munoz as their 7th reliever. Bullpen Marte - 1 mill Hawkins - 5 Mill (Assume high) Sully - 2 mill Osuna - 1 mill Wright - 500 K Wunsch - 500 K Munoz - 300 K WHICKED Total Payroll - 10.3 mill Bench Rowand - 500 Graffy - 750 Harris - 400 Alomar Jr - 750 Robin Ventura - a mill or so One guy on the bench would go to the minors, unless the Sox decide to carry 6 relievers, keeping Munoz in the minors Total payroll is about 61 million but this assumed some high estimates in a few areas. And if the Sox don't want to do that, then sign Shiggy for about 3 mill a year and you save 2 mill on not getting Hawkins or hope you can get Hawkins for a little less. I think realistically this roster could be put together more so for 57 mill or so, which would leave the Sox with some room to add during the trade deadline. I've also assumed giving our young players extensions and this team is in really good shape long term. Mario and I came up with this idea on aim today talking back and forth. I think it would be a hell of a team. Good offense, good pitching, great bullpen and a solid defense.

Sounds really cool. I'm definately gonna have to make it out this year for a game.

The only thing I wonder with Tempe Diablo and Scottsdales facility is where are the minor league fields. I know the Angels have two practice fields at Tempe Diablo and then the main stadium but at TEP their are a ton of practice fields for all the minor leaguers. I know Milwaulkee's stadium was built for two teams and its a great facility, although Maryville isn't quite in Phoenix, but its only about 15-20 minutes away. Agree with you about parking at Scottsdale.

Here's My Pro's and Con's to both players. Soriano: Pro's -Can hit for avg -Better power numbers then Magglio (Already) -Better power potential then Magglio (This guy has had 40/40 and could do 50/50) -Superior speed to Maggs -Better athlete then Maggs -13 million cheaper then Maggs -4 years younger then Maggs (25) -Had only 8 fewer RBI's then Maggs, despite hitting in the leadoff spot (Sor-91) -Provides production in a position that it isn't expected from (cf/2nd). Con's -Plate Discipline -Shaky defensively at 2nd Magglio: Pro's -Can hit for avg -Has a decent eye -Plays good defense in right -Good Attitude Con's -14 million; FA at end of the season Basically I think both are comparable players. If given the option I'd take Soriano over Magglio in a heartbeat because he's only going to get better while Magglio has reached a peak, although its a very good peak. People can say Soriano had a down year, but .291, 38 HR, 91 RBI, 35 SB is pretty damn impressive to me. Stick him in the 2 or 3 hole with some good OBP guys in front and look out. Did I mention that you would have him locked up long term and he'd cost a whole lot less then Maggs, meaning the Sox could still find a replacement for Maggs and have quite a bit of dough to invest in pitching.

Agreed, I think they can do it.

Does this mean we could claim him for the minimum? He's getting paid an absolute fortune or are the Cubs soley seeing if someone puts a claim on him and if he doesn't then they aren't going to outright release him. I think eventually the SOx will try that with Konerko and Koch.

I think its getting really interesting that maybe it isn't the obvious candidate.

I think the Phoenix area quite a bit. But TEP is a great facility. I would rather see the White Sox share a facility with someone other then go to where the Angles played. The Angels have a very nice facility, but TEP was beautiful. Where KC and Texas play is absolutely amazing and the Brewers have a nice facility that isn't shared. I'd think that JR would like to cut a deal to share the Giants facility in Scottsdale which is a beautiful stadium done by the guy who designed Camden Yards.

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Seems like a good pickup. The guy is still young, but it is only a one year deal. He has a lot of talent and is going to help the Blackhawks offense and defense.

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Yep, I think its like 3.5 million.

I have the same problem. I gave up on it

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He'll be lucky to get 1.5. I think the best deal he gets is like a mill and then incentives that could push it to 1.5 or 2. Somehow the Sox will give him more then he's worth, just because they seem to have one of the dumbest salary analysts when it comes to valuing a players market value. If they aren't worth what they are asking, then don't freaking sign them.

www.bulls4ever.com Or just go into the sports board, there are a lot of Bulls fans there. Bulls are kicking some ass right now

s*** thats crazy. Bears aught to sign that security guard.

The one thing I'll give JR credit for is he's always shelled out the bucks in regards to the Bulls. The fans have shown up and he's paid huge amounts of money for them. I wish one day the Sox club would have the kind of lasting excitement and ability to get the Cell sold out for a few years and build the Sox fan base back up. If that ever happens then I have no doubt JR will spend whatever funds necessary. The problem is, you have to not only have great management but also a little bit of luck for things to work out that way. I'm so confident that this team could be great again next year at about a 60 mill payroll, the question is whether KW will have the ball to do it (I think he's got the balls to make big changes) and forget about what the medias reactions would be. Trading maggs could be a fiasco, but get a talented player and freeing your budget restraints so you could add 2 or 3 pitchers is more then worth it, imo. As a GM, my flaw is I wouldn't think twice about trading a fan favorite if it meant it would improve the team. I still have good feelings, but thats probably the optimist in me. As far as Kobe goes, he f***ed up, but I still think he's a pretty classy individual and a hell of a player.

Rex...in regards to Gordon why not offer it. He won't get a huge increase if he wins since he got paid a minimum amount last season. And with Colon you offer it for the same reason. Both players are going to turn it down and if they don't, I think the Sox have no problem bringing them back. They will not offer Roberto or Everett arbitration though caus they could only get a 20% pay cut which would still be well above their value. In the case of Sandy Alomar, I think he'd accept arb and I think the Sox would then negotiate a 1 yr deal worth 700 k or so with him.

Good Lord, KW....if the Yanks are offering one of the most exciting 2Bmen in the league, who is still cheap AND young, how the hell do you not take that deal?!? I guess it makes too much sense for K-Dub, and he is confused. Its $14 mill off the books, management, thats all you need to know with this regime. Rumor, doesn't mean the deal is on the table. Your right though, I wouldn't turn down that deal simply because of the financial reasons. They both put up eerily similar numbesr while Soriano can steal more bases and has better upside and is also younger. This deal would be done in a heartbeat if I was the GM. KW goes on to say that right now he isn't fielding offers for Maggs...but I think he means he's not doing the shopping right now, he's letting other teams come to him. I like that they are negotiating with Sully cause I'd like to have him back along with another relief pitcher whether its Gordon, Hawkins or whoever.

It would be absolutely amazing. My feelings are that Crawford and Curry would be untouchable. You'd love doing it without Chandler, but if any of them would go, I'd say Chandler simply because his back problems and then include Rose and whoever else it takes to get the deal done. Man wuold it be sweet having Kobe. Put Kobe, Crawford and Curry on the same court and look out. All of those guys are explosive and Kobe will provide damn good defense. Then you have a role player like Pippen/Gill at the forward slot as well as Erob on the bench and then insert Fizer/Marshall at PF or try to find yourself a more defensive oriented big man, maybe a Tyrone Hill who is out their via free agency. If somehow its done without Chandler, all I can say is wow. Rose, Heinrich, Fizer, whomever. Get Kobe in Chicago

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I better back it up 10 times a day Seriously though...HTC is the greatest thread ever Speaking of which, do you keep track of records for most replies on a thread. I would think that thread would have to be close to a record. I think the previous record was 600 and something in a game thread. So ya Hot Chicks Thread is the largest thread ever. I'm 99.9% sure of that.

Guaranteed contracts are partially what screw baseball, but its also why players never hold out.