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I don't know if Rondo makes it the full year. Oh man, he was so freaking bad against Dallas. Like awful. Guy is a turnover machine. Don't know what is going on but terrible. Our bench sucks too by the way. Until I see some of our younger players develop under Hoiberg, I will continue to think Fred is a nice guy, but a lousy head coach. Really miss Doug and MCW, but Niko is a wreck, and Portis has done nothing but go backwards.

I would love Turner to be the headliner, but there is also a dynamic to getting everyone but Turner as well as the Nats have a very attractive bunch. Would love for Coop to work with Giolito. That said, would love to find a way to get a deal build around Turner, Robles, & Giolito. I will caveat it by saying Robles is the guy I would put the highest bust factor on, by far, so if they stayed away from him and went with others, I could live with that too. I think DA has brought up some valid points that would point out flaws in his actual performance. That said, lots of tools too. Seems like the kind of guy that the Sox would stay farther away from though, as they seem more focused on near ready / MLB ready type of talent (including potentially guys already in the majors).

Thought this post deserved its own thread. Not saying it needs to be mega, but pretty noteworthy as you combined this report with a different report from Olney, which mentioned the frontoffice is warming to the idea of moving Sale and it would appear that there are more and more people buying into the rebuild philosphy. That said, until some moves are made, none of us really know what exactly is going on.

Nats clearly have the talent. I'm getting interested to see what happens. Things are going to get hot real fast, imo.

Killing this thread to revitalize a seperate thread, more based upon sourced news.

Similar to the Garcia deal, this makes sense.

I keep watching our defense, thinking, we have the makings of a D that could be special. It does have some inherent flaws though, most notably the secondary. That said, I love the pass rush we are able to generate. You add a decent (not even good or above average) coverage unit, and I think we will see a Top 10 defense next year (in most all categories). Floyd is a menace. Offensively, I hope Barkley can keep building on what he's doing. He's legitimately looked good and should have had even better numbers if not for some drops. Takes a few weeks for the league to get enough intel to make adjustments, but watching his potential development has made the end of the season more interesting. Plus, I don't see any QB who is just so dynamic that I am concerned we'd miss out on them if we are picking 4 or 2. Doesn't make much of a difference to me. The QB's this year are all a total crapshoot. Would hurt more if you had a draft with a Winston or a Luck.

They dominated. Meredith dropped another TD pass too. Barkley played extremely well.

There was an article that indicated their might be some loopholes for a player like Otani. Also, world series home field advantage goes to team with the best record (tiebreaker is the strength of schedule).

Honestly, if we are going to be rebuilding, I see no reason why we would just non-tender Avi. $3M is nothing and while I don't peg him to break out, we currently have no better options to give at bats too and he does have talent (so while I think he has flaws that will impact his ability to get there, $3M is easily worth paying to have him on the roster as of this point in time). I more had problems putting him in a starting spot on a team that was intending to contend. And for those of you jumping off a ledge, give me a break. This move has zero negative barring on the long term impacts of the team (from a downside) and from an upside, the tools and talent are there (albeit the probability of him breaking through are limited, but we've seen it before...see Bautista or Encarnacion. By the way, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he is either of those players and Encarnacion clearly had a better start to his career then Avi, but things happen.

Honestly, if we are going to be rebuilding, I see no reason why we would just non-tender Avi. $3M is nothing and while I don't peg him to break out, we currently have no better options to give at bats too and he does have talent (so while I think he has flaws that will impact his ability to get there, $3M is easily worth paying to have him on the roster as of this point in time). I more had problems putting him in a starting spot on a team that was intending to contend.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 06:59 AM) It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Besides, he has 5 years of control. Those guys are not available. We have a thread. For the longest time, we all knew the White Sox needed a leadoff hitter, with a high on base, who could run. The Sox get that, and he comes with GG quality defense. Sign him to a team friendly extension, has 5 years of control....quick, get rid of him. It will work out perfectly. I tend to agree with you. Eaton is a hard guy to move unless you get an absolute haul. He should be a key piece of the long-term efforts to rebuild and while I am a proponent of moving prospects, moving a guy as good as Eaton, who should have his peak years ahead of them and is around that long, just doesn't make much sense unless you get totally blown away. That said, if you move Eaton, at least you are moving him at a time when his value should be high (coming off of a career year).

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) IT helps the Sox actually. They can sign free agents now and only lose a 3rd round pick for doing so in future years. They also have a $5 million cap on international spending. The Sox have been spending their entire bonus pools but they are often in the $3 million range. They never go over though. Now that nobody is allowed to go over, I would expect the White Sox to spend the entire $5 million annually on international amateurs. The qualifying pick doesn't really help the Sox because we aren't a team that will largely play in the big free agent market, so it helps the bigger spenders more then the lower spenders. Further, the fact that the compensation is paid based upon market size also hurts the Sox when you look at it from that perspective, because what we will give up vs. a team like the Royals/Indians will be more and akin to what the Dodgers / Yankees / Cubs would give up (again, not exactly fair given our revenue's, which are much more middle-market in size). I do agree that the international cap is a move that is beneficial for the Sox.

Another change in the new CBA is that the 15 day DL will now be a 10 day DL. I like it.

Didn't see it in here, but new CBA is going to get rid of the All Star game driving home field advantage.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 30, 2016 -> 07:57 PM) How does it screw Sox? We will likely be lumped into the large market players and thus, if it is based on market size, will get treated like the bigger spending clubs vs. the clubs we more or less fit in with from a revenue perspective.

I don't know if anyone has watched it on here (I don't even know what channel it is on...happened to stumble on it through prime), but the Night Manager was a fantastic six episode series. Again, absolutely fantastic.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 29, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) Its all relative. At the time Michigan lost to Iowa, Iowa was un-ranked. I really think that the only chance the Big10 has is if Washington or Clemson lose. I think that the Big10 teams end up canceling each other out. I don't buy that argument at all. I do agree with you that for a second team to get in, Washington or Clemson has to lose. Personally, I don't think Clemson should be in.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 29, 2016 -> 06:35 PM) Big10 is not likely getting 2 teams. The only way is if Wisconsin destroys PSU. Michigan lost to Iowa. I really have no complaints about Wisconsin being out, they choked against OSU. But Michigan getting in over Wisconsin would be stupid. Michigan lost 2 of its last 3 games, Wisconsin only lost 2 games and both were with their best LB (Biegel) being injured. I just cant see how you can get passed Michigan losing to Iowa, a bad loss should be worse than losing a close game to a top 5 team on the road. If Michigan doesnt lose to Iowa, Big10 probably gets 2 teams. OSU and the winner of Michigan/Wisconsin, but it would just set a terrible precedent if the big 10 gets 2 teams and neither were in the championship. How is Iowa a bad loss? Last I looked, they lost to a team on the road which is currently ranked in the top 25 (and is coming off crushing a ranked Nebraska team)? I'm not saying Iowa is great, but they certainly aren't a bad team or a bad loss. Wisconsin clearly has better "losses" but by no stretch of the imagine can I cal that Iowa game a bad loss.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 28, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) Isn't one of the issues the elimination of draft pick compensation for unrestricted free agents ? If the Sox trade Sale or anyone else that the acquiring team has for a full season the current CBA says that teams is entitled to a draft pick when the player turns down a qualifying offer and chooses unrestricted free agency. So wouldn't this affect the trade value of Sale , Quintana, Eaton and possibly Frazier if the acquiring team doesn't get a draft pick when those player elect unrestricted free agency after spending a season or more with the teams they are traded to. Basically doesn't it make those players worth slightly less if the team acquiring them doesn't have a draft pick to look forward to when they walk ? By all reports the sticking point is more the negotiation as to how much value the removal of the compensation should bring (i.e,. what do the owners get for giving that up). Either way, the only thing expected to go away is the fact that the signing team would physically give away the pick. All reports indicate that the team that loses the players would still get a compensation pick (it just wouldn't be the other teams and instead would be a new pick granted...presumably a sandwich pick after the 1st round (or at least that is what I imagine). So in general, the actual loss of a pick should have minimal value. That said, I think more of the delay is more tied to the fact that until you have certainty over the CBA, there is just a lot of general hesitation to do much until the uncertainty is gone.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 28, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) And as noted a possibility in the article I linked. 3m Ken Rosenthal‏ @Ken_Rosenthal Sources: Owners have backed off the international draft as a requirement for a new collective-bargaining agreement. If this has happened, a deal will get done or at least I would think it would. Nothing else is out there that I would see being worth the owners locking out the players and dealing with the PR that comes with it (especially following such a highly rated post-season).

I keep wondering why this has gotten such little play. I presume the owners will eventually cave on the international draft. That is the real sticking point in the entire equation (in the sense that they need to give something pretty good back to the players union and thus far I don't think the qualifying pick change is quite enough).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) CSN Chicago ‏@CSNChicago 24m24 minutes ago #Bears linebacker Danny Trevathan done for season with ruptured patellar tendon http://bit.ly/2gCQpgG (@CSNMoonMullin) #BearsTalk This sounds like the type of injury that could impact his future effectiveness. Injuries in football are brutal, but man, this year for the Bears is beyond brutal. Get better Danny T.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 05:02 PM) Manfred said it would be natural to wrap u the negotiations on the new agreement before free agency begins so everyone knows what the rules will be. There most likely will be something done with the QO system. Seems like the pick will still go to the team that loses, but the buying team won't lose the pick (which does slightly hurt competitive balance, imo, since it is more likely the higher market teams are buying and now they get to buy and keep the pick).

Appreciate sharing the news. Any word on who the Dodgers are dangling? Any word on if the package is just Sale or if Frazier and/oor Robertson are included as well?