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Reddy/2k...calm down. No need to bicker back and forth. Lets stick to the actual discussion at hand. Which, there has been some good ole fashion healthy debate/discussion throughout this thread.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 10:27 AM) The second that Selig ceases to be commissioner, the better off MLB will be. The game might actually get full instant replay one of these decades. Plus the ASG will go back to the meaningless piece of trash that it should be. I do not support full instant replay. And in reality, I don't get too worked up on the whole ASG thing. Selig has done some pretty good things in his tenure, one of all, labor peace since 1994. In the playoffs, I can get behind it and support it, but not for the regular season.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 12:43 PM) And that's fair...I don't have a problem with giving Jake an A...I guess I don't think a grading scale should be based on your subjective expectations... Dunn is coming off the worst season in modern professional baseball history...yet your expectations were exactly what he is doing now....and therefore he gets a C... But hey, it's your thread. Correction: It is everyone's thread. Grades are as subjective as it gets and everyone is entitled to their opinions.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 12:40 PM) He has certainly been outstanding, I wouldn't argue that, but his numbers are trending upwards quickly...To say he is a better pitcher now than he was in San Diego...I'd have a really difficult time believing that...He had 3 seasons in SD that I would consider him to be better than this year. You also have to take into account the park factor. Peavy has been dynamite this year. And pre-injury he was one of the best pitchers in the game. People forget that. He's finally 2 years removed and we are seeing the benefits of him having a normal off-season. I don't know if he'll keep it up, but the stuff is great and I think (that said, I was one of the few people backing Peavy this off-season) he'll be one of the better pitchers in baseball all year. That said, you never know what could happen.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 12:24 PM) So, the other day I was thinking of how wonderful it is to have Sale, Viciedo, Reed, a seemingly rejuvenated Beckham, and a hopefully not dead Morel. Then I was wondering about how man, they'll be expensive when they hit arbitration. If you're the White Sox, do you start considering signing any of those five to deals like the Rays signed Longoria to when he came up and started making noise? I think it is early to talk about all of this. Additionally, the Sox have done a fantastic job locking up guys when the time comes anyway. Haven't gone through arbitration in forever. No need to hand out any long-term deals to the above players. Lots of time before decisions have to be made. Becks is the only guy you think about it with and even then, you need to see a bigger picture before you make a decision.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) Except he is still way over his expectations as a whole. Dunn isn't. I'd say Dunn is ahead of most anyone's expectations. He was coming off arguably the worse season in professional baseball history and at this stage of his game his numbers are in line, if not ahead of his career averages. I can fault plenty of things with Dunn, but from an expectation standpoint I'd say by and large he's exceeding most everyone's expectations.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 11:17 AM) A guy who already has elbow problems? Unless the brain trust sees something fixable, there is no way they pick him. A lot of guys have elbow problems though. With medicine the way it is, you can sometimes really do well by picking up this kind of guy, especially given his upside. If he's there at 48, given how much higher his ceiling is then other guys (this is an awful draft class), you have to consider it, imo.

Remember guys, we are in 1st place

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 10:16 AM) You can't grade based on expectations because it does not allow a player that has great expectations placed on him to exceed a C, unless his name is Paul Konerko and he is carrying an unsustainably high batting average, or he has some kind of a historic season. I don't know how you couldn't give De Aza an A...he is putting up a slash line of .298/380/.429 and is on pace to score 119 runs, knock in 73 runs, hit 14 home runs, and steal 39 bases at a 76% clip. He is having an incredible season for a leadoff man. I wouldn't argue De Aza as an A. I think of him as a B+ but the dude has been fantastic and I think he can sustain his success. He hits the ball hard.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 09:42 AM) Do you adjust the rotation to give Peavy one more start before the break, or just stay the course? Then it would be one more start for Humber, and then Peavy would likely pitch in the AS Game? Me? I want Peavy an extra start, with 2 games the last week before the break. vs Tor - Humber, Quintana, Peavy (6/7) vs Hou - Floyd, Sale, Humber off at StL - Peavy (6/12), Danks, Floyd at LA - Sale, Humber, Peavy (6/17) vs Cubs - Danks, Floyd, Sale off vs Mil - Peavy (6/22), Danks, Floyd at Min - Sale, Humber, Peavy (6/27) at NY - Danks, Floyd, Sale, Humber off vs Tex - Peavy (7/3), Danks, Floyd vs Tor - Sale, Humber, Peavy (7/8) I want to give our starters rest, especially Peavy/Sale. We need to be careful of these guys. Plus with Danks coming back from soreness, you also have to monitor him a bit more closely as well.

The biggest thing to me about Dunn is he's playing confident. His average had gotten up over .250 and now it is down a bit but it will have an ebb and flow and if he's hitting for power I fully expect him to hit somewhere between .240 & .260 and while I agree there is flaws to that and he's not an overly complete player, there is still massive value in what he does and what he has brought, especially given the fact that he's hit a lot of his homers at the right time (which was a historic knock on Dunn). I don't know if I could ever say he's an A but I reserve an A but I do think he's nothing worse then a B/B+ (or even an A-). The only A's I have are Konerko, Peavy, and Sale. They are the Sox 3 best players and they (to date) have been 3 of the best players in the majors at their respective positions. I don't expect it to necessarily last as they will have slumps, etc, but they are all fully capable of being amongst the league best and helping this team. Heck, Dunn is performing like one of the best DH's in the AL as well. Now if you are grading based upon how they performed vs. expectations, then you have a different scale, imo.

Just bought my dad tickets to the Fathers day game (behind home plate). Dodgers vs. White Sox, a true treat, since the old man is a diehard Dodger fan.

Jose, you were a rock. Would have loved to see you pitch in the bigs when you were in your 20's (which must have been 30 years ago, haha). Best of luck in the recovery.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 3, 2012 -> 06:56 PM) Do we dare start calling Danks a prospect again? He should be up in Chicago. Now. I think he's a prospect. Maybe not a great prospect but when you look at the total package, he's done a nice job and can really help a team. I still think he's a better fit in the NL but as a whole, there are a few things Jordan does very well that would help a big league club. He clearly has a few holes in his game as well, but he appears to be building upon them and who knows, maybe he's figured things out. The talent has always been there.

Congrats Terry!!!

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 07:49 AM) Piliere tweets it's Stroman or Heaney for ChiSox at 13. Very different players. One very safe polished starter with less upside versus a guy with better stuff and higher ceiling but risk of being a reliever. I am actually okay with either of those picks.

And my Titans lose.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 04:01 PM) http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=17223 I still love Stroman. Some of the best stuff in the draft class. Already has two plus pitches. If he wasn't 5' 9'' he'd be in the mix for number 1 pick in the draft. There is obviously some risk that he ends up in the pen, but he has much better upside as a starter than some of the 2nd tier of college pitching that should be available around 13. Though I perfectly understand if the Sox want a safer option considering the state of the farm. I'm with you. Stroman has some serious upside. Not sure how his body will hold up, but the stuff is legit.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2012 -> 06:02 AM) Gordon is not going to be as productive as he's been the last couple of weeks, but I think he's turned the corner and will be a big contributor for the foreseeable future. He's too talented not to be a good player. If he had a little more luck, he'd probably be at .260 or better right now with a pretty decent OPS. I hope you are right DA. He's definitely looking a lot better. Tons more bat speed and just a massively improved approach. Of all the posters on this board, you were always the one who stuck behind Becks.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 2, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) We've now won 13 of the last 15 and turned our season around. We're seeing some great hitting, some good work out of the bullpen, and I for one, am really starting to form an attachment to a few of these fellas. Gordo looks like the player we all thought he could be, De Aza is playing like the leadoff hitter we never thought we'd get, AJ is putting up power numbers the likes of which he has never done before, and Alex and Adam have returned to being productive players again. Just wanted to express my appreciation to the boys for making baseball fun again. Hear, hear! Agreed. Hear Hear!!!

Fantastic stuff Steve!

Moving this to the buster. It ain't staying in SLAM.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 30, 2012 -> 01:56 PM) Hawk's rant after Q's ejection is reason #3,258 why the guy needs to go. What an embarassment. It's one thing to show passion, but that was just a joke. (Cue the "He's such a true Sox fan" arguments) To me it is reason #1 of why he needs to stay. That was epically entertaining and well said.

Holy crap. Where's Abe Lincoln when you need him?

Wohoooo!