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QUOTE (rangercal @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 03:16 PM) So do you suggest trading Thome,Konerko,Aj and JD for .50 on the dollar? Depends on what the Sox plans are. I have no problem moving Thome now. Move him to a contender if he wants and use the money on other things. For example, take this money and put it on top of the money saved next year and make some impact moves. JD I would try and negotiate an extension for, one that is financially better because I don't think we'll get a great trade offer. I figure Paulie will stay and I have no problem with that cause we need some veterans but at the same time if a team made a great offer, I don't mind moving him as well. I'd love to keep AJ as long as he's willing to work with Flowers. He'd remain the starter next year with Flowers getting maybe 40% of the starts there and the ocassional start at 1B/DH or something along those lines to ensure he gets at bats. Oh and I should add, I would fully expect the Sox to than lose multiple draft picks when they spend some of that money in the off-season on other players to help fill in whatever holes we have. For example, there is this 19 year old Cuban out there. I would trade two of Dye/Thome/Paulie/Dotel/Linebrink (one of which) if we could use the money we'd have spent on them for the rest of the season on the 19 year old Cuban or on one of the top International Free Agents. I think the Sox should be smart and realize they have a great opportunity here to get a lot better in a hurry while still contending because they are in a poor division. We have the rotation to be where we can retool the offense quite quickly and be a big time contender next year thanks to getting rid of some poor contracts, etc.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) Looking at the entire season so far, not just one game, Getz's defense has been mediocre. I'd say a little above average but he's getting used to playing at the major league level. Getz has nice defensive tools too. He'll be much better than Iguchi and Ray Ray were, imo, long term defensively. Not as good offensively as Ray Ray but very solid.

The Sox are sellers. If we win and move onto the playoffs it will be because our young players play good. The team isn't going to win the world series and we'll be contenders as long as our starters pitch decently but that doesn't mean we should pretend and make short sighted moves. Kenny needs to be smart and now is the time to move some guys and get our youngsters some experience and who knows we'll still be able to compete and maybe make the playoffs and in that case, it'll be great experience for our youngsters.

The Sox aren't adding pieces, they are going to sell a few guys and still contend because the division sucks. Poreda should be pitching though and we can hopefully win some games and these young guys can get used to the majors as well as acclimated to a playoff race in a sense (albeit its just a race to get clocked in the first round). I want to see more of Poreda but I think we'll see him used a bit more in the pen and than we'll swing Count/Dotel/Linebrink in deals. We'll see what the team does with Dye, Jenks, AJ and Thome.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 02:39 PM) Apparently Linebrink is today's Soxtalk ™ scapegoat, not the guy who actually caused it all -- Chris Getz. Typical Soxtalk is all I'll say. Yes, it's ALL Linebrink's fault -- Getz didn't have anything to do with it...nothing at all. You know why Errors are called Errors cause they are a part of the f***ing game. My god you people are ridiculous. They didn't execute, cased closed. How about we blame Pujols for games the Cards lose because he has an 0fer or doesn't deliver in a key situation. Its baseball, you win some you lose some and if you look at every darn microcosm well than quite frankly every player in baseball sucks cause they fail more than they succeed. Seriously, some of you people clearly haven't played sports at a remotely high level or you'd understand. When I played in competitive team sports we didn't go f*** we lost cause of that schmoe. Now there were games where I'd blame myself but my teammates weren't pointing at me. No, if you made an error, you made an error, someone else had to pick it up for you and in this case they (Scott) didn't.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 02:32 PM) Soxtalk: Lollipop-edition. We don't work hard to create and operate a site like this to sit around and get spit on all the time. You my friend can go have fun somewhere else and don't let the door hit you on the ass.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 02:09 PM) Chisox, Thornton had basically 0 margin for error, if Thornton does the exact same job starting the 8th, he retires 1 batter, 1 batter gets on base, and retires the next 2. Ozzie puts his bullpen in positions to fail. It was a 4 run lead, there is nothing wrong with going with Linebrink to start the inning. Thornton did have less of a margin for error but bottom line he didn't execute either. Linebrink had an error, etc. I realize the excuses being thrown out there and everyone wants to blame Ozzie but bottom line, the team failed to execute. Sure, I'd have went to Thornton after two were put on but the time to pull Linebrink was after two were put on or following Lee's homer. Him staying in and pitching to Soto, that was the terrible part. Prior to that I can't call any of what he (Oz) did "terrible".

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 02:08 PM) Matty still got 3 outs, didn't he? He shouldn't even have been in the 9th, if Ozzie was doing his job. And technically Linebrink got 3 outs, but there was an error. Thornton failed just like Linebrink failed. Linebrinks failure was much more massive though.

Seriously, I raelize Ozzie made some bad calls, but you do realize the beloved savior all of you guys wanted to put in, Thornton, also failed to get the job done. His job was more difficult than Linebrinks but he too failed. Bottom line you win as a team and lose as a team and the Sox didn't execute on bit. I personally don't care, the club isn't going anywhere and I'm watching games to see how the future of the organization does. I hope we win, but I hope its because of our young guys developing and while Getz had a less than stellar defensive game thats okay because he's starting to hit and figure stuff out and defensively he is darn good.

The Sox need to move him if they can. I'm on board rebuilding because I dont' think the current team is going anywhere and its time to get things setup so the next crop of players can. That doesn't mean you give everyone away but it does mean goes who don't fit into the long-term plans should go. I want to see more of Getz/Beckham/BA (even if I don't think he'll ever hit with his defense you need to see if he can) and of course Poreda/Richard/Danksy/Floyd. Plus get Flowers/Danks2/Brandon Allen/Omogrosso/Link opportunities.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 01:49 PM) situation? Soriano up, 2 outs, runner on 2nd.

Whats the situation?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 01:38 PM) Linebrink has looked awful for the last few weeks, and everything hit against him has been hard. There's no way in the world he should have been left in to face Soto. Oh, clearly Ozzie should have pulled him, but I can't blame Ozzie for starting Liney and regardless I fault Linebrink for not getting the job done. Ozzie should have went to the pen though after Liney started to suck.

I still think the Sox should move there relievers and go at this with a chunk of youth. I want Dotel and Linebrinks contracts off the books (more so Liney's since his has another year on it and Dotel, well he's gone at the end of the year and has been very very valuable).

I can't blame Ozzie. 4 run lead and you should be able to put anyone out there to get the job done. It's on Liney, not Ozzie.

How the hell did the game get tied? Another HR?

Did Beckham just make an error?

What is the current situation?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 01:25 PM) Getz is swining great now, but he's made two errors today. Not like him. Ya, I'm not concerned, defensively he's a rock. Plus that first error was more on Alexei than Getzy.

Just the 7 day DL. Hopefully Danks gets better quickly. Excited to have Huddy in AA and Allen in AAA.

Glad a couple of my boys are having games....Getzy/Becks/Floyd.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 17, 2009 -> 09:37 PM) He shot himself and felt the need to carry an illegal gun in the first place....I think that defines "thug" Marshall constantly beats his girlfriend and has cops always visiting his house. He has also had constant run ins with the law. He's far more the thug than Plaxico. I'm not saying Plaxico is amazing. The funny thing is there is TO who everyone b****es about yet he doesn't do anything wrong off the field. Such bulls*** TO gets so much hate.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 11:03 AM) I have never been a pet person. I bought my mom a miniature Dodson that is awesome though. I love playing with her when I go by my moms house. They are just too much to take care of for myself atleast. What, I figured you love cats.

Collop, what an overdraft.

QUOTE (frankiethefixer @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 01:53 AM) and belittling someone who does not have the best grasp of english language is alright? let alone when an admin of this board decides to make it even worse by adding on. i'm here just because this site has in my opinion the most knowledgeable sox fans i've found. thats why i like this site. i'm here to talk about the white sox. i'm sorry if i find offense when people find it funny to point out my english skills aren't the best and someone who is an admin of this boards decides to chime in. to me thats also a personal attack. i'm here to talk about the sox's thats all. As the owner of the site, I encourage you to post here. I've gotten crap on my grammar ever since the site started but as far as I'm concerned the only thing that matters is the content of the post, not the grammatical accuracies of the post. Haven't seen you post much before but you've obviously been around for a bit so its a little late, but Welcome Aboard!!!