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QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 07:58 PM) 1987 to 2005? Yeah man that's a clear indictment of Bush 43. He was so bad he managed to f*** things up when his dad was still vice president. I thought it was 1997 to 2005. Oh well. It's still Bush's fault...

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 07:21 PM) At the same time if you spank your kid all the time it doesn't have the same effect. They just get scared and pissed off. I agree.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 07:22 PM) Its gotten to where your kaperbole isn't even related to the posts you reply to anymore. Look at the dates of the study.

QUOTE (Soxy @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 05:54 PM) I voted no. I've spent a lot of time with learning theory and Skinner actually believed that punishment isn't as effective as positive reinforcement and omission training (taking stuff away). And the conditions under which physical punishment is effective are actually very hard to get right. I understand the theory, and both my wife and I are well read on it - however, try as you might, occasionally there's nothing else to get through to a strong willed child. We do positive reinforcement, we do time out, we take things away - and at times none of it works. I mean it's not like I go around beating my child 24/7, but there's certain times where NOTHING else gets her attention. I hate it, but it is what it is.

Welcome back! It's been too long. Stay around this time!

It is. I like that reverse angle of Dwise's catch. And I know this has been debated elsewhere, but BA doesn't catch that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 05:08 PM) RAND corp study links rising health care costs to job losses, lower economic output. It's Bush's fault, clearly.

She's so cute, you know, eh? You betcha!

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:43 PM) But the first "Score" was accurate, because it fits your belief? Nope... well, for that version, it was accurate. Now they're playing hide the weenie. They are leaving out the medicaid part that they have to pass on to state's budgets. That's the major difference between the two bills. So, now, instead of the first number, whatever it was, now it's mysteriously less, while keeping the same services. Gotta love that trick. /waits for lib blog after lib blog telling me that the facts are wrong and government all the way baby!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:00 AM) Link. Yeah, like you couldn't have predicted that. The CBO "score" of the updated bill is a lie anyway. But to you, it won't be.

The line is crossed if you do it because you're mad. If you do it because you're trying to enforce/correct a behavior, that's a different issue.

Oh... maybe we should try that instead.

Ok, this is just funny... Emminating from our bathroom walls moments ago to my three year old daughter: "The time has come for all Americans to poo poo in the potty. Now - uuuhhhh - there will be those who disagree with this plan, but inaction simply cannot stand - we are going to reform our toilet habits. Now let me be clear - the time to poo poo is right now!" LMAO. My wife has those Obama speeches down pretty good. Then she said, even my three year old doesn't believe this crap.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 05:13 PM) Here's a different way to phrase it: Ok, I'll come back to this with a reality of discussion in a little while. This is all a sham. Meanwhile I have a story to tell that I'm going to go post in the other health care thread, you all will laugh - hard.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 05:40 PM) People don't realize how hard it is to control a crying infant until they're parents and their kid starts crying in public for no f***ing reason and they can't make them stop. And sometimes a three year old. It just happens. Then I get the "you suck as a parent look" and I want to b**** slap the motherf***er who has that look. This is one that REALLY pisses me off.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 05:00 PM) The elderly of course is a wonderful argument. Oh what will happen if the elderly are covered by a government based system? The horror, the horror. I can't imagine how much the U.S. would suck if that happened. Then ask your buddy Democrats why they are cutting the piss out of it to fund the general health care?

Strong willed kids are TOTALLY different then compliant kids. You can't generically say one things works and another doesn't because every kid is different. I do my damndest to keep my oldest in line, but if she's going to act like an ass in public, frankly, there's not a damn thing I can do about it, and anyone that says "that kid's a spoiled brat" or "those parents must be idiots" - I have two words for you. f*** off. You don't know me or my child, so please don't pass judgement on things you don't know. I HATE it when my kid acts up, and I remove her from the situation, but the scene has been already created. It drives me crazy for people to pass judgement on situations like this. /soapbox

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 04:57 PM) Actually, the straw-man there is that you act like you've somehow eliminated all the other options for cost controls. I've had this arguement with you guys too many times to count now and I just get dismissed. "Government HAS to be the way to go." Kill the elderly - "give 'em a painkiller".

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) Part of the idea is that the government option will force private insurers to lower costs to stay competitive. If they insist on inflating costs, they lose business to people that want to look for a better deal. That's the way the rest of the free market works, the healthcare market shouldn't be any different. Although without cost controls/incentivizing efficiency, the whole idea is useless. Since the government will be offering "lower cost" insurance, the "market" will have to match, right? Now, since the government policies will HAVE to be done at a loss, therefore making ALL "private" insurance at a loss, that basically puts them out of business. Wait for it... wait for it... "this should be (non-profit)"... "costs are so far out of control... yet Obama will CUT costs..." - yea, tell me a time when the government has CUT costs again? Nevermind. Now I'll just get leftist blog after leftist blog politburo bulls*** telling me the "realities" of how this is the greatest thing ever. I hope you like your grandparents and parents because they will be dead quicker now (on average) if this thing passes. OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO, STRAW MAN ARGUEMENT!!!!!!!! Wrong. Obama admits it, freely. The elderly will be where the cost cuts have to happen. What a GREAT system we're embarking on here! It's WAY better then what we have now! Power to the people! Woot!

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 12:51 PM) http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=up...;show_article=1 f*** you, Rahm Emanuel.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 11:14 AM) Hope the baby doesn't come out as fast as a Thornton heater. Congrats to the Thornton family! Well, maybe it would better if the baby does, you know, for the wife.

Random off topic out of my ass post. For no reason. Have you heard that Crede's batting .225? Terminator is a great movie. It's 94 here. I have to go take a dump.

QUOTE (Nixon @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 08:18 AM) Have any of you guys looked into those license plate protectors that shield your tag from cameras? According to mythbusters, they don't work all that well anyway.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 04:34 AM) ...That's a lie. You realize they had already put probes on the moon before we did, right? Russia had very real plans to go the moon, but all of the sudden in the mid 60s their space program started to unravel with the death of many of their top astronauts. Yea, and that was a CIA plot so we could get to the moon first.

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