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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 07:29 AM) Let them dig their own grave. Woo hoo. Let's just play politics as usual. Oh wait, hope and change, nevermind. Seriously - this is all so stupid. There's much more important crap to be talking about, and this isn't one of them, from either side.

This Beckham might even grow past the famous Rally Crede.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 4, 2009 -> 10:44 PM) I was gonna start a new thread for this, but figured I would start here. Can you imagine if this came from a republican administration, or anyone associated with a Republican administration? They are asking for people to 'inform' on their fellow citizens! I remember an uproar when the govt asked people to keep a sharper eye out after 9/11. So sad. http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/ I think we now live in the United States of China. Can't have CONVERSATIONS anymore... the White House might come get me. I understand that they just want to stay ahead of the curve so they can spread more propaganda to make sure their crap passes. Big Deal.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 4, 2009 -> 10:43 PM) Usually, just getting the photo op with the former president is actually a pretty good return for a country that constantly seems to be looking for respect from its daddy countries. BS. A photo op isn't the only thing this cost the US. He was there to deliver a message from the Messiah... and he got to take the reporters home in exchange for whatever that message was.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 4, 2009 -> 03:02 PM) Quite frankly, no, because there are at least 3-4 different health care plans being pushed forward from different committees in the House and Senate, some of which are in "official nearly complete bill form" and some of which are still behind closed doors. /insert condom commercial here TROJAN MAN!!!

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Aug 4, 2009 -> 02:11 PM) Maybe you could post this cartoon in every topic forum in Soxtalk. No palin derangement in here.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 4, 2009 -> 01:54 PM) Why am I not surprised that most of the lies come from the GOP and most are, on some level, fear mongering. Why am I not surprised that the whole damn program is about taking over something that individuals should have a choice over? In fact, check that, the whole damn Democrat party is about that? Obviously, Americans are too stupid to know what they are doing, and the government has to take everything over for us. Oh, now I'm fear mongering. Look, FDR, LBJ, Truman, etc. have all said this isn't about people's well being, it's political, and it gains them power. If they admit it, why can't you?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 04:26 PM) Are you a 36-24-36? Ewww. For your sake you better hope not.

Crack.Pipe.Please.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 10:37 AM) You are welcome to. I couldn't get an out to save my life last year. Might have been the rain. Or not. Seriously, we'll see. I'm just glad I get to come up. With that said, we can all hope I won't be there, because that means I'm employed again. Catch-22, right?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 12:32 PM) Really? You're reading totally different bills than I am. It sure seems like they've gone out of their way to write these bills so that points 1 and 3 can't possibly happen without additional reform. The only way it does happen is if the public system works so well that everyone throws up their hands and says "I want in!" Which of course would be a disaster, because then people would be getting good medical coverage. Bulls***. And they are going to be forced to throw their hands up when employers won't offer "private" insurance anymore.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 12:32 PM) Really? You're reading totally different bills than I am. It sure seems like they've gone out of their way to write these bills so that points 1 and 3 can't possibly happen without additional reform. The only way it does happen is if the public system works so well that everyone throws up their hands and says "I want in!" Which of course would be a disaster, because then people would be getting good medical coverage. The house bill is pretty clear on these points. No, it's not immediate, but it aboslutely has that effect. They can't flip a light switch, they know that, but they certainly will make sure it happens in the next 1-4 years by the language of the bill. You're playing naive because it makes the cause sound better, and it's a flat out lie.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 12:07 PM) I didn't know you swung that way kap. To each his own. You jackass.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 12:25 PM) Irrelevant to my point. Single-payer would be radical. Nationalized hospitals would be radical. Removing all private insurance would be radical. Stop jumping off the deep end on every single post. I'm not advocating for this bill. Well, then, it's radical. Because points one and three is what is going to happen under these bills, and yes, I will jump off the deep end because this is the worst possible outcome we can do in this country regarding health care.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 11:57 AM) A smaller car won't tow my trailer. You have too much money if you can afford a trailer to tow behind your vehicle. You need to give some of that back to the government so us poor people can take it from you. GIVE IT TO ME, OBAMA! NOW!

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 11:31 AM) What's going through the Congress isn't that extreme. It's pretty mild compared to what could be done. BS. Keep reading that propoganda. ANY plan that leaves the option of "government insurance" is crap. Medicare is so broken it obviously doesn't work like it needs to yet we want the whole country to be on a "medicare like" plan? No. No. And no. Fix that first, and MAYBE we can consider it after that. You want to "cut costs" (I mean ration) the government needs to get out of the way. Wait. tsk tsk - EVIL PROFITS - tsk tsk - should never be allowed in any industry because that means they are evil-ly taking money away from someone else by definition. Sorry... utopia for all - I need to get that brainwashed through my head.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 10:25 AM) I couldn't agree more, assuming that's what happened (I'm certainly no "capologist"). If the Hawks merely found and exploited a loophole, then they certainly shouldn't be punished for taking advantage of the system; the existing loophole should just be closed. And its true that in order for the NHL to establish wrongdoing, someone in the Hossa camp or Hawks' front office would have to rat themselves out, so I don't see that happening. What's weird is that you'd think a competitive, thriving Hawks franchise would be so good for the league as whole, it would be encouraged and supported rather than attacked, as seems to have been happening lately. Not that they should get a free pass or anything, but this can't be the first time some team has thought of this. Frankly, I have a hard time accepting that the Hawks could be that smart. Old regime is ratting out new regime... or vice versa. This whole thing is a pissing contest that has been leaked (pardon the pun) to the media.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 11:00 AM) Yup. It's either that or rent. Seriously, that's the silliest, most heartless, most incomprehensible argument out there. Yes, everyone can go to the ER after the sickness they haven't treated for 6 months finally becomes critical. They then file bankruptcy and the government foots the bill. This is more expensive for; the person, the government, the taxpayer, and the people doing the treatment. It's a disaster all around. That's the whole bloody point. By some estimates, this method of health care kills 20,000 people every year. It is an economic disaster. It's 10x more expensive than actually getting treatment by a regular physician. There is no logic at all to that response. Yep. Rent's pretty high in CA. It's a choice to live there. Also, it's a choice to make payment arrangements and most physicians give pretty sizeable discounts to self pay patients. It's also pretty heartless to ask everyone in America to pay into a government run health care to pay for everyone else for health care utopia. But I guess "utopia" is a better outcome for the redistribution of wealth model - those heartless rich evil m'fers who dare to work hard to make something out of themselves. Look, there's no easy answer, but there certainly are more choices then either extreme alternative that we're talking about.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 10:51 AM) No, the answer is "None of those are true any more if you count the 15% of the population that doesn't undergo any treatment at all because they can't afford it" and "many of those are that way because of Medicare, and I'll be damned if the government is going to take away my Medicare and replace it with some government-run program". Everyone has health care available to them. It's a choice whether or not you choose to use it.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 10:19 AM) Why am I picturing that scene in "Dodgeball" when they first meet with the coach? Because you have a naked Obama with a unicorn in your avatar?

Can I pitch? Hehe.

These people need to just STFU and go away. Seriously.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 2, 2009 -> 11:22 PM) http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/49525427.html Liberal: "none of these matter if you can't pay for it". My answer: It's a CHOICE. You have access to all of this, TODAY. If you are sick or need treatment, you'll get it today. But most of the people in support of this want "something for nothing".

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 05:57 PM) So you're on record as saying that using 4 billion dollars of money from government coffers to stimulate 15-20 billion dollars of spending minimum is a bad idea in a recession? OK then. Actually, yes and no. In this form, it's almost like a tax cut. They'll get their money back - which you liberals say can't happen. At the same time, they should not be incentivizing free market behavior. It's a slippery slope question. Truthfully, I don't want the government in any businesses that it doesn't have to be.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 06:28 PM) He's been quite a bit better as of late, and like was said, he was already in Chicago since we were in doubt about Alexei. Oh that's right. Doh. Forgot about Alexei.