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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 08:57 PM) does not compute. Sure it does. So you interpret 14th, interstate commerce, and general welfare as something the federal government has the authority to basically do whatever the hell they want. Then you cry foul when they have a "NDoP"? Does not compute.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 07:49 PM) Well they did manage to f*** up a good majority of the world's economy. It's clearly the private sector's fault. Greedy f***ing capitalists. GET THEM f***ERS... I'm glad to see that Obama just took over GS.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 07:46 PM) General welfare + interstate commerce + 14th amendment = unlimited federal power, pretty much. But all of those other cases are clearly distinct from issues directly applicable to the 1st amendment. Going with the Lemon Test, what possible secular purpose does a NDoP serve? And that's ok? And then, they should do away with the first amendment.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 07:40 PM) If you want me to answer the question and show how it's different from yours and why I think I'm right, I have to know how you'd define that idea. Seriously, you are... but that is weak sauce, and a stupid arguement (not by you, but by these jackasses in Congress).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 09:42 AM) And if they leave those documents safely stored in their hotel room safe, they get deported. Hi, straw man.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 07:37 PM) Well, define "general welfare" I guess. Oh, well, that explains everything. It means the government should do everything. Got it.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 07:31 PM) Because we're specifically talking about the First Amendment's separation of church and state. Fine. But what about anything else that's in the constitution? I'm just interested in where people think line should stop.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 08:20 AM) Depends on X... Well, there's health care, there's providing entitlements for whatever, there's regulation, there's etc. etc. etc. that the government seems to think they should take care of for us. Where does it stop? Why religion? Why anything...?

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 07:27 PM) Yeah, the knife cuts both ways though. "I pledge to reduce the size of government when I get in office!" Oh but not this, that, that, that, that, that, or that because you want to keep it and you'd vote me out if I did. Actually f*** it, how bout I just vote for a couple of new programs while I'm at it... not big ones of course, but you know, people want it right? I will say this, though. The defense spending is one part of the government that is explicitly to be provided for according to the constitution.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 07:48 PM) It's the problem with populism, imo. Everyone shouts the high-level slogans; "Cut taxes!" "Balanced budget!" "Cut spending!" But when you get down into the details, no one actually wants to cut anything major or figure out increase tax revenues to pay for it. It's simple, in reality, but everyone craps their pants and is too chickens*** to do it.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 07:42 PM) What level of specificity is required before endorsement of religion is too much? It is everyone's religious right not to be influenced by the government, however minor that attempt is. Still waiting for National Prayer-Is-Useless Day. Okay, but at what point should the government not interfere with (insert X here).

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 07:46 PM) Yes, but we all know the numerous ways they accomplish that. Burnt out taillight, tinted windows, etc. And that's different then now how?

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 07:05 PM) There is waste in government, but not such a significant amount that it's going to have a major impact on the overall budget even if politicians successfully managed to get rid of 100% of it. (not that it doesn't need to be done). And furthermore, anybody who votes for a politician who promises to eliminate all things they vaguely define as "waste" and "earmarks" and believes it, and expects it to happen, deserves to be pissed off later on when it doesn't happen. That is like believing the politician is going to get puppies and rainbows for everyone. It works every time. People want something for nothing and fall hook, line and sinker when the GOVERNMENT SAVES bulls*** is passed out like candy at a campaign speech.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 07:52 AM) I certainly see it that way. Anyway...I'll bet if you put a team of really smart lawyers on this, you could find a way to have the people in the government recognize the day and release statements about the day but without having it codified in law that it is a federally considered holiday. True.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2010 -> 07:47 AM) If they can't "go solely based on race" then this law wouldn't exist and you know that. Ok, this thread's grown by 4 pages, and I'm reading through. But, the police have to have someone detailed and can't just stop someone based on finding out their citizenship.

I REALLY wanna go. Anyone got tickets and a parking pass to give me? I think I might scam some Wednesday night tickets and take the girls to see some Sox baseball.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 26, 2010 -> 08:58 PM) kap, of course there is a political spectrum. Obama is "left" on that spectrum in the US, but he'd be moderate-right in a lot of other countries. That doesn't mean we redefine the word socialism, though. The point here is that Obama is pulling the country hard left. Compared to past years, this is hard left. Not Billy C. left nut on a blue dress left. Hard left. It turns this into a Euroweenie state. And frankly, that's socialism. Obama clearly belives this is the best policy for this country.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 26, 2010 -> 03:56 PM) I think a good test of whether or not it is intended as an endorsement of religion is the way people react when it's discussed. That's a good point, actually. Personally, I don't get too excited about stuff like this, ... with that said, though, don't take my PERSONAL freedom away to pray or not to pray. The rest is a stupid arguement, really. You really think so? I don't see it that way.

QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Apr 26, 2010 -> 12:41 AM) There's no such thing as socialism "on our political spectrum." There's a political spectrum and everyone fits on it as such. American conservatives don't define political ideologies. LMAO. OF COURSE there's a political spectrum in our country that's different then most other places. Hell, you all should be happy I'm defining it that way. Think about it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 26, 2010 -> 06:21 PM) Dude...it really wasn't that hard. It was "Arizona immigration law text" and the 2nd link on Google. The law CLEARLY states this as well: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?in...overnor.doc.htm So, we can stop the cherry picking now, no? As I said earlier, I don't necessarily agree with this law because the enforcement is almost impossible, and it's too arbitrary. But, the race baiters are out there in full force even though it's damn clear that the case will be dropped and even the law enforcement people are subject to lawsuits themselves if they go solely based on race.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 25, 2010 -> 09:37 AM) And thank god those offshore oil rigs are perfectly safe for the environment. We need to live in f***ing caves. Without fire, because that would add carbon to the atmosphere.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Apr 25, 2010 -> 03:18 PM) Biden was a regular Amtrak commuter as Senator, and apparently the day that he got the nod for the VP position, he took the Amtrak in and it kinda made it hell for commuters. Beyond security, flying the President and the VP around has got to be among the least disruptive ways to move them around securely. Right.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 25, 2010 -> 09:18 AM) I find it funny how the Tea Party paints Obama as a socialist, fascist, communist, etc. even though if this were 1978 his policies would equal that of a moderate Republican. He is socialist, on our political spectrum. Facist, communist? No. You're at lease socialist. Who cares? It's the truth. Accept it, and move on. But, I understand. We need to lable the tea party as racist so we can disband of this notion that they might have real issues with the government.

QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 02:07 PM) This right here is what I am sick to death of for the past 2 years. The hitters just act like they don't care. zombies with sticks in their hands. 2 years? Try about 15 years. They never hit a pitcher they haven't seen before well. This is a White Sox tradition right here.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 24, 2010 -> 08:40 PM) Ouch. Imagine if the tea party was black. This is the biggest piece of s*** article I've read in a long time. Keep spreading the hate, cause after all, this is exactly what the Tea Party is all about. We gotta make sure that word gets out.