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QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) Does anybody else think they may look at the market on Mike Moustakas? As it stands the White Sox really don't have a 3rd baseman. He is going into free agency on the younger side at 29 years old and won't command a long contract. Career .305 OBP. I know he has a lot of quality traits (including lack of Ks), but the org. still doesn't have enough OBP from other players to compensate.

I picked Abreu because his value is much more determinable. While Avi may regress, he also may build on last year and show some power. That would explode his value. I'm willing to take the chance.

I understand him being leery of the Giants. They had a fantastic run, but last year wasn't all that surprising (few changes to an aging team often results in a great big thud) and I don't see how they get better any time soon.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Dec 2, 2017 -> 08:28 AM) I have been thinking about this as well and it all come down to the fact that the White Sox can only lose one player in the Rule 5 so it is not like the team is going to be decimated. Further, they need some spots on the 40 man to field a major league team in 2018 so some flexibility was needed there as well. There has to be more free agent signings coming......... They could lose all of the unprotected guys and it wouldn't decimate them (and they can lose more than 1 in Rule 5).. But sometimes, small things can make a big difference. Just particularly concerned about pitching. We'll see what they do with the extra room.

Castillo plays an important position, is actually a good player, and he's not on his last legs. Refreshing signing.

I didn't understand the 40 man roster management weeks ago, and after today's cuts, still perplexed. Re Adams, the Sox really don't need him as a bridge because they have multiple corner OF/IF try-out candidates on the roster that they have to make a decision on in the next year or so,, who need either play 1B or could be moved there and/or take some reps at DH: Davidson, Gillaspie, Palka, Cordell

Someone's got to take innings in the bullpen..

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 08:49 AM) Trading Garcia and Abreu would seem to indicate that the team has no intentions of competing for anything the next few years. They are gone in 2 seasons - about the time the Sox should be getting good. Maybe the Sox should trade them, get more young players, and then in 2 years when their contracts would expire, grab a couple of free agents to fill a couple of holes...at that time, the Sox will know exactly which holes need filling and will only have a few, instead of half a dozen + holes, like they do now.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 24, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) If the Sox trade both Avi and Abreu, who exactly is going to comprise the middle of the order? In a year or two, you can pencil in Eloy. Beyond that, I don't see a big run producing heart of the order. Well, they will both be FAs in 2020, so the Sox will likely have to do something. But Abreu will also be 33 in 2020, so it may be best to tread lightly right now. As for Avi, I would point to Delmonico. They had similar numbers last year (Avi somewhat better), albeit Avi over an entire season and Delmonico over 1/4 season. But Delmonico also had a very modest BAPIP and walks a lot...and he has taken pitches throughout his minor league career as well. All considered, he may be as sure (or unsure) bet to continue his success as Avi.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 10:07 PM) However, I do wonder if this might shake loose another Thyagomizer type deal. When Ohtani was the only guy on the market, teams could look at the Yankees and Mariners and think "If we don't get Ohtani we're out the player we gave up for him". Now there's like 3 or 4 other backup plans on the market. Send the White Sox a player from your A-ball team for some of their bonus money, make your run at Ohtani, and if you miss out on him you go out and sign that catcher that was just released. That makes sense. It could work out really well as more teams might be willing to go big on some ex-Braves, knowing that the competition is more diffused. I wonder how much $ the Sox have left.

There certainly is a strong element of diminishing returns, especially at corner OF and 1B for the Sox. But Sox can can always use depth in the low minors to ensure a flowing pipeline, particularly up the middle. They really aren't replete with SS, C and CF prospects at any level.. Plus you can't have enough pitching. I know we can list out 10 really good pitching prospects, but you need 13 for a staff, and you better have at least 1/2 a dozen others that you can call up to cover for injuries, non-performance, etc. Veterans will consume some of those spots, and they can trade for some, but if you wait to trade until you absolutely need the pitching, the price is premium. Abreu's a tough trade. We can value his numbers in terms of trade. But the Sox also value his intangibles. Teams that trade for him can be confident that he won't be a pain the rear, so they won't discount him. But I doubt they are willing to pay a premium for his clubhouse positives. Avi's valuation is tougher. Was 2017 a fluke or not?

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 11:27 PM) I think you are forgetting that these guys are going on the 40 man and we have to field a team of 25 from those 40. If we put too many low level prospects on the 40, then we would need to get them off it eventually and exposed them to being picked up by another team. If Hahn is confident that a prospect won't get pick, they are safer not putting them on and betting that no one will roster them for a whole year rather than losing them to a team that could just put them in the minors. And I'm sorry, but Rick Hahn was one of the fastest rising gm candidates when we hired him and since he has taken full control he has been amazing while your involvment in the game of baseball strecthes as far as you can throw your beer can from your recliner when you're watching the highlights because you couldn't even be bothered to watch a whole game, so I'm going to have to side with Hahn's strategy on this one. Which is precisely the extent of your involvement.. And you might check and learn his actual background.

I enjoyed his writing a lot. Very sorry to hear this, and wish him the best.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 08:20 PM) How do you keep Covey, Saladino, Hanson, and Garcia and not protect Guerrero, Polo, and Peter? Good question. But protecting AAAA players and bad veterans over prospects is not that surprising considering the way the FO had operated through June of 2016. Hahn is back to his old habits. How in the world can you expose a prospect in order to protect Al Albequerque or Farquar, or Petricka, or....

Perfectly happy that the Sox used their money on Robert, in what as a modest bidding war, versus the Otana frenzy, that they would be unlikely to win anyway. Now I would like them to be more in the game on international amateur signings in general, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

No thank you.

The Sox took a pitcher last year who didn't even have 40 innings in AA. Now pitchers are easier to hide on a 25, but the Sox just let him do his thing, overmatched as he was. No reason other teams won't do the same, and expand it to hitters.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) Yeah I don't think anyone would take him just for him to sit on the bench for majority of a season. With pitchers, it's easier to hide them in the bullpen since you can pick and choose their spots a lot easier. I agree that pitchers are a bigger risk, but there is no reason to take this risk with Adolpho. He's a quality prospect, teams are tanking and rebuilding and aren't winning anyway. I believe the trend will be toward grabbing more of these type of guys. There are several guys with limited upside that can be moved. As for the Yankees, they moved 2 of their rule 5 guys to the Sox last July, so they've worked on that for a while.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 03:35 PM) Juan Minaya (makes the roster 30) Dump Petricka Keep Minaya

Enjoy the offseason - the appetizer is coming soon: GM meetings and then the main course - the Winter Meetings - coming up.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 11:53 AM) And while I think the mentorship role is important, I also think having him a key member of the team is important towards recruiting high-end free agents next offseason. Sox have players who can assume the mentorship role and a manager who can communicate with anyone. Abreu is a good player, and I agree with you on recruiting free agents...

Due to the number of rebuilders, there is a bigger risk to losing some of these guys. They can be stashed on the roster if teams aren't expecting to win anyway. The Sox did it last year with a pitcher who barely pitched above A Ball - and our eligibles had at at least the credentials he did. 2 of the 3 players from Yanks were Rule 5 eligible and still in the low minors - Yankees knew what they were doing. Keep: clark, Jimenez, Guerrero, Peter, Polo, Adolpho, Clarkin, Cooper, Walsh Keep either Hayes or Gillaspie. I like Lechich, but I'd chance it. That's 10 spots and need 5 openings. Not a problem. Dump: Albequerque, Farquar, Petricka, Beck, Covey If they need more room, dump Fry, and combination of May, Hansen, W Garcia. I suppose they could dump Putnam, but he's actually been a good pitcher They may need a couple of spots for veteran arms; but Minaya and Infante (both of whom pitched pretty darn well last year) can fill that role.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 9, 2017 -> 05:54 PM) https://bosoxinjection.com/2017/10/15/poten...get-jose-abreu/ Eduardo Rodriguez is an interesting place to start trade talks. Very good place to start - like him a lot. 4 years of control. Bradley Jr was the other piece - good player, but 3 years. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 9, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) Jose Abreu straight up for Jackie Bradley Jr. Who says no? White Sox

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 8, 2017 -> 02:05 PM) PolishPrince Offseason Plan on Southside Sox. I thought Rich Hahn did an outstanding job with majority of his moves except for one. Thought the Rutherford package was a little light with Kahnle and his 4 years of service time before hitting free agency. Yea, thought it light, too. Should have split those guys up. Anyway, like the thoroughness of your plan, and the intent of your trades - young player for young player. Like some of your moves more than others (I wouldn't give anything of value for Swithart, e.g.) I think we need more pitching that most people do.

Once Soto went down, the Sox had the best catching they've had in years; not "good enough" for a contender, but still the best in years and good enough for now, with Narvaez on the upswing.