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There certainly is a strong element of diminishing returns, especially at corner OF and 1B for the Sox. But Sox can can always use depth in the low minors to ensure a flowing pipeline, particularly up the middle. They really aren't replete with SS, C and CF prospects at any level.. Plus you can't have enough pitching. I know we can list out 10 really good pitching prospects, but you need 13 for a staff, and you better have at least 1/2 a dozen others that you can call up to cover for injuries, non-performance, etc. Veterans will consume some of those spots, and they can trade for some, but if you wait to trade until you absolutely need the pitching, the price is premium. Abreu's a tough trade. We can value his numbers in terms of trade. But the Sox also value his intangibles. Teams that trade for him can be confident that he won't be a pain the rear, so they won't discount him. But I doubt they are willing to pay a premium for his clubhouse positives. Avi's valuation is tougher. Was 2017 a fluke or not?

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 11:27 PM) I think you are forgetting that these guys are going on the 40 man and we have to field a team of 25 from those 40. If we put too many low level prospects on the 40, then we would need to get them off it eventually and exposed them to being picked up by another team. If Hahn is confident that a prospect won't get pick, they are safer not putting them on and betting that no one will roster them for a whole year rather than losing them to a team that could just put them in the minors. And I'm sorry, but Rick Hahn was one of the fastest rising gm candidates when we hired him and since he has taken full control he has been amazing while your involvment in the game of baseball strecthes as far as you can throw your beer can from your recliner when you're watching the highlights because you couldn't even be bothered to watch a whole game, so I'm going to have to side with Hahn's strategy on this one. Which is precisely the extent of your involvement.. And you might check and learn his actual background.

I enjoyed his writing a lot. Very sorry to hear this, and wish him the best.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 08:20 PM) How do you keep Covey, Saladino, Hanson, and Garcia and not protect Guerrero, Polo, and Peter? Good question. But protecting AAAA players and bad veterans over prospects is not that surprising considering the way the FO had operated through June of 2016. Hahn is back to his old habits. How in the world can you expose a prospect in order to protect Al Albequerque or Farquar, or Petricka, or....

Perfectly happy that the Sox used their money on Robert, in what as a modest bidding war, versus the Otana frenzy, that they would be unlikely to win anyway. Now I would like them to be more in the game on international amateur signings in general, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

No thank you.

The Sox took a pitcher last year who didn't even have 40 innings in AA. Now pitchers are easier to hide on a 25, but the Sox just let him do his thing, overmatched as he was. No reason other teams won't do the same, and expand it to hitters.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) Yeah I don't think anyone would take him just for him to sit on the bench for majority of a season. With pitchers, it's easier to hide them in the bullpen since you can pick and choose their spots a lot easier. I agree that pitchers are a bigger risk, but there is no reason to take this risk with Adolpho. He's a quality prospect, teams are tanking and rebuilding and aren't winning anyway. I believe the trend will be toward grabbing more of these type of guys. There are several guys with limited upside that can be moved. As for the Yankees, they moved 2 of their rule 5 guys to the Sox last July, so they've worked on that for a while.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 03:35 PM) Juan Minaya (makes the roster 30) Dump Petricka Keep Minaya

Enjoy the offseason - the appetizer is coming soon: GM meetings and then the main course - the Winter Meetings - coming up.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 11:53 AM) And while I think the mentorship role is important, I also think having him a key member of the team is important towards recruiting high-end free agents next offseason. Sox have players who can assume the mentorship role and a manager who can communicate with anyone. Abreu is a good player, and I agree with you on recruiting free agents...

Due to the number of rebuilders, there is a bigger risk to losing some of these guys. They can be stashed on the roster if teams aren't expecting to win anyway. The Sox did it last year with a pitcher who barely pitched above A Ball - and our eligibles had at at least the credentials he did. 2 of the 3 players from Yanks were Rule 5 eligible and still in the low minors - Yankees knew what they were doing. Keep: clark, Jimenez, Guerrero, Peter, Polo, Adolpho, Clarkin, Cooper, Walsh Keep either Hayes or Gillaspie. I like Lechich, but I'd chance it. That's 10 spots and need 5 openings. Not a problem. Dump: Albequerque, Farquar, Petricka, Beck, Covey If they need more room, dump Fry, and combination of May, Hansen, W Garcia. I suppose they could dump Putnam, but he's actually been a good pitcher They may need a couple of spots for veteran arms; but Minaya and Infante (both of whom pitched pretty darn well last year) can fill that role.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 9, 2017 -> 05:54 PM) https://bosoxinjection.com/2017/10/15/poten...get-jose-abreu/ Eduardo Rodriguez is an interesting place to start trade talks. Very good place to start - like him a lot. 4 years of control. Bradley Jr was the other piece - good player, but 3 years. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 9, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) Jose Abreu straight up for Jackie Bradley Jr. Who says no? White Sox

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 8, 2017 -> 02:05 PM) PolishPrince Offseason Plan on Southside Sox. I thought Rich Hahn did an outstanding job with majority of his moves except for one. Thought the Rutherford package was a little light with Kahnle and his 4 years of service time before hitting free agency. Yea, thought it light, too. Should have split those guys up. Anyway, like the thoroughness of your plan, and the intent of your trades - young player for young player. Like some of your moves more than others (I wouldn't give anything of value for Swithart, e.g.) I think we need more pitching that most people do.

Once Soto went down, the Sox had the best catching they've had in years; not "good enough" for a contender, but still the best in years and good enough for now, with Narvaez on the upswing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) Plenty of reason to trade Avi this offseason if we get something that counts as "fair", certainly not requiring being blown away. 2 years away from free agency, price going up, if he's this good then he's going to be very expensive to keep and we may not want to pay that price, if he isn't this good then the best deals available for him will be this offseason. Hard to affix his value (and thus determine "fair"): 1 good season (very good), but with a high BABIP; still not many homers, although that may come and more doubles certainly would increase in a different park. Doesn't play a position of scarcity. Fair just may not be very much, so there may be no point. July candidate perhaps.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) Haha they would not turn down Bogaerts and Bradley Nor would Boston offer those players (not Bogaerts, anyway)

He looks like a decent pick up. But it’s just that the Sox seem to have several guys at the same level playing that same position. Now if they’re moving Abreu and/or Avi, then there may be a need for more intense competition.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) I find it very unlikely Adolfo or Clarkin are taken in the Rule 5 No reason to take the chance. Both are very good prospects. And Clarkin easily could be pulled from the Sox, as it’s not a difficult thing to hold a pitcher on the staff, As the Sox did with Covey.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 01:34 PM) I still don't see any way that they tender Putnam a contract. I know they like it when he's on the mound, but I don't know how you can guarantee the roster spot of a 30 year old who has spent that much time on the DL. A non-tender and minor league re-signing seems like the most likely route they go with him. Can certainly put Petricka in that number; Putnam's best years were better than Petricka's. Even Infante and Minaya, two rather modest relievers, pitched as well last year as Petricka ever has.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 11:45 PM) http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/roster/40-man/ I would guess that there are at least 5 (and probably more) prospects in the minors that they will have to add to the 40...the pitcher they got from the Yankees comes immediately to mind. But there are a lot of names on that 40 that they could easily let go in order to protect some prospects.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 04:42 PM) 40 man roster currently sits at 34. Do you have a link to the 40 man? Thanks

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 02:22 PM) Prospects. Yeah. Then get some more relievers and repeat - I can go for that. QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 02:54 PM) I am guessing the Sox gave the Padres Tatis because the Padres covered $30M of salary. They shouldn't have had to give a good prospect to cover 30M of Shields' salary, as shaky as Shields was.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Don't forget who the Boston GM is now, Dave Dombrowski. Look at the condition he left the Tigers and look at the direction Boston is heading. DD is a baseball Terra-forming machine. They might. But I think it would be for a few 2nd tier prospects..nothing elite. As for the Sox, I'd hope we'd go for a more athletic team.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 08:29 AM) If you've got a team ready to compete right now, "3 years of an all star center of the order hitter at market rate" is something you would totally pay a good price for. Maybe you don't empty your entire system, but it's not unreasonable to expect to pay a solid prospect price for that. But that's not the deal you are getting with him. If he sucks after 3 years, you have to pay him for an extra 8. thus, any deal must be severely discounted. If he had only that 3 year contract, it would be much easier to set a market rate. But he doesn't. These bashers who are slugs defensively aren't my cup of tea anyway.