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Get well soon. Elmore? For goodness sakes.

North, how do they determine whether a pitcher is on a relief or starter track? I know a lot of starters who couldn't develop the 3rd/4th pitch are switched to relief. But this player seems to have several pitches (although they need development).

Certainly a good effort on paper; I don't know whether he was facing prospects or AAAA guys, however. Covey is doing this too.

Fry is pitching his tail off Soria is doing what over the hill veterans do, surprise, surprise.

Fulmer = hand-picked by the talent evaluators, #8 draft choice Lopez = Top 100 prospect Giolito = Top 10 prospect for 2 seasons. None are busts yet; although none are mainstay, they have talent and that often takes a while to develop. I suspect at least 1 will become a rotation mainstay. 1/3 is a reasonable ratio for pitching, which means you need a lot of it.

That doesn't make any sense not to take the player because of those 2. Neither is elite (yet) . And 2 isn't exactly depth. You can always use up the middle players. What doesn't make sense is reaching, drafting for position, drafting for "quick to the majors" and the like.

Lopez' mediocre peripherals catching up with him. I would have liked to see Beck pitch more..he was rolling and has pitched well in spots this year..see what he can do over many innings. 3 Top pitching prospects up. Progress, Don Cooper? Is everybody protected in this org?

I assume that you don't mean the Sox version of Laroche. 2017 Davidson surpassed that..

If that's accurate, then they have to draft him. Top bat AND plays middle infield. As for Singer, delivery issues. We've seen enough delivery issues and swing hitches lately (with all due respect to the phenom Sale).

There are some interesting items on that list. Lowrie really isn't scrap heap, but he is having a career year at 34. While it seems that most players taper off around 30, Cabrera found his stride at that age and we're seeing more and more of those kind of players. It guess it's a lot of luck as to whether you can find one, but then again you make your own luck with good scouting. Also notable is that most of those guys weren't drafted at all and were international free agents. If you look at the best position prospects the Sox acquired, they are international players. I wonder if there's a study on scrap heap players: if the bounty strikes more on pitching or position players.

Pass

He's been in the majors for 4 months; he shows consistently good plate discipline. He has a chance to be a good hitter.

Cooper's just been here a long time, and things don't seem to be working: the young guys aren't responding and the vets aren't either. Samardzija wanted out of here after a week, he didn't give Junior Guerra a chance and completely mis-evaluated him. Just nothing has happened in years. As for the hitting coach, the guys who are supposed to hit are hitting; and some younger players have developed. He has a lot of players with limited talent.

Quite a statement when the Cubs only got 1 hit...and yet, it's a true statement.

They made the decision less than a month after trading for Shields and drafting a ceiling reliever in the first round. They just weren't able to execute anything significant until the winter.

The rebuild process is in its 3rd calendar year, closing in on two total years. Nowhere near the beginning. 3 of the top pitching prospects are already on the major league team as is one of the top 3 hitting prospects (the other 2 are in A ball). There is one legitimate prospect in AAA. None of the really top prospects are up the middle players. Pitching is short (despite some claims of "excess"). Is it reasonable to question the progress?.....

I guess they'll need to quadruple down on that "good in the clubhouse" spin.

You may be right about AAA. But I will say that Charlotte is mostly organizational minor leaguers and declining prospects(Kopech an exception).

The talent on this team is limited, but it's not this bad. Walks, walks, walks. Where y'at, Don Cooper?

Bummer Fry Avilan just Because Sox control him for a while and he’s had some years where he wasn’t terrible

Great news!

Here's better false choice: At least it was Jones who got annihilated and not Fry. Fry was the best part of the day; I've seen Lopez do what he's done before.

Once again, you offer a completely false choice. There is no requirement for the Sox to lose if Lopez pitched well. How about holding a 3 run lead in the 9th? We know that most of the Leurys, Davidson, Delmonicos won't be here in a year or 2...they'll be upgraded. But if the Sox had their equivalent in pitching, they'd be a lot more competitive and interesting.

That's a false choice. And even if I were to buy this "All part of Hahn's great plan" revisionism, "flipping Jones" was part of it.

Yolmer is the least of the problems; Moustakas is a marginal upgrade, if that. They need to stabilize the pitching. They brought in a bunch of veteran pitchers to do that, and they are, to a man, fine additions tot the gallery that features Latos, and Holland and about 10 other veteran stiffs they've brought in the last 5 years. It's been firmly established that the problem can't be the GM; and it can't be the scouting because the GM it can't be brought in new scouts; it's can't be the iconic pitching coach.