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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:57 PM) Anderson done for the game - 2-3, 3B, 2B, K. Austin also done - 1-2, K. The leadoff hitter for the SAL South is John Johnson. Who does that to their child? There was a guy named John John. And he was the III. Crain is an extreme longshot...about the same as most AZL players, I would think.

A reasonable comp with Samardzija is Garza 2 years ago. The Cubs received: Olt - top 50 prospect, but in serious decline Grimm - a 5th starter type Edwards - close to top 100 pitcher, but a bullpen guy Ramirez - another promising young pitcher At the time, the Cubs fans claimed it to be some massive haul, although it never looked like it to me.

Gracious, more declining veterans again? Too bad we didn't load up for Matt Kemp last year.

Astros and Cubs weren't build through the proceeds of sell-offs. They were built through the draft. Oh, they got pieces here and there through trades (esp. Cubs), but it's evaluation, development and drafting. The Sox are poor at all 3. The only team that sells well is the As.

Every fricking game.

How many times did the Sox have multiple hits in an inning last night and not score.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) your own scouting. And therein lies the real Sox problem, along with lack of development. So, frankly, I'd rather have a player another team has scouted and developed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) And that's why I said that if you're insisting on a guy who's MLB ready right now...that's going to make that very tough. Tough, but not impossible. I go back to the Pirates getting the catcher from the Yanks for a bullpen pitcher - and in December. Yanks have a lot of catchers. Find some surplus. Widen the horizons beyond dealing with Friends of Williams. Knowing the Sox, they may just sell him off. Who knows.

This is a bottom 1/4 system at this time. A developed Micah Johnson as #2 (or even #5) tells you that. Lots could change between now and then, primarily based on what happens in the rookie leagues and A ball. Adolpho could really blossom, e.g.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) His walk rate is actually down, but his strikeout, fly ball, and line drive rates are all the worst of his career as a starter. That's not on the defense, he's getting hit harder and striking out fewer players. If I'm looking at his line, I'm more than a little nervous and frankly looking at his line this year makes me extra-glad the Sox didn't extend him. Right, but as a rent, all teams need him for his this year. Rents are much cleaner transactions. Teams will pay more value than 1/2 a year of a good pitcher. What 1/2 a year of a good pitcher gets is another question. You have to hunt - find vulnerabilities of other teams and find places where they are overstocked and might overpay.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 03:58 PM) I want to stress more here...I did not say that. I was replying to a specific note saying that teams might think some of his struggling was due to the poor team around him...with the important point that those same teams will say "but things he can control, like striking guys out and getting the ball weakly hit, are down too". That bodes well for moving Putnam, whom we can replace with Webb, who is about to come into his own.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:08 AM) They have lots of depth, it's just not quality depth. And therein lies the problem... Just like our "bounty of middle infielders." Kevan Smith, Kottaras, Brantly, Nieto, Austin (Rodon's teammate), etc. Well it's time to move some dead weight and bullpen pitchers and see what some of these guys have. Kottaras at least hits like he belongs in the majors. Guerra and others who are/were at Charlotte pitch like it too.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:40 AM) I watched last night CWS games and started thinking outside the box. I know it wouldn't be done due to egos and the risks/embarrassment of failure but look at Vanderbilt pre Corbin. Vandy was a program with no history and one of the greatest disadvantages in recruiting there could be. Many of you may not realize that most baseball scholarships are fractions of a full ride. At Vandy if you are on a third or half ride you must come up with the rest of the money. That extra is often 20-30k just in tuition. That cost severely limits your player pool. Academic requirements are substantial and most academic scholarships start with needing about 32 on an ACT. They have other scholarships available and they use it on baseball players. These players are not ACT 32s. Private schools have always done will in baseball. Stanford, Miami, Rice, Vandy have won NCs. (not to mention USC). Tulane, TCU have made multiple CWS. Many of the disadvantages that academic schools face in football and basketball don't exist in baseball, despite the tuition challenge. A recent former college baseball coach is now managing the Padres. But I like your idea.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 07:59 AM) If you're going to rip on Ventura and the coaching staff, please do. They deserve it. But use reasons that actually are valid and important. I think it's a legitimate point. The manager took a 4 day weekend (1 off day), from a team that is struggling. Go to the graduation then come back. You can miss 1 game. It's not like the birth of a child where a few days is needed. But it falls more on the front office for letting him do it. Back to the subject, Hahn needs to start moving some of these players.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 10:24 PM) Are you serious? Roberston is tied for the AL lead in blown saves. He has not had an excellent year... not even close. I guess you measure starters by how many losses they have. .84 WHIP, 12+Ks/9 is an excellent year.

Robertson's had an excellent year. Great numbers. But they won't pick him off of a horrible team.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 09:59 PM) Just wait. You simply don't strike out that many guys out in the minors without being good. I've liked his stuff so far. s*** happens in small sample sizes. I've been on his bandwagon, too. Hope you're right. He hasn't pitched in 10 days, which doesn't help either. But they'll send him down when Jennings is ready. Gotta have that Scott Carroll.

Well so much for Junior

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 09:45 PM) Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 6m6 minutes ago Ceiling is frontline starter. Has that stuff. @SSS_joshnelson: With Fulmer joining the @WhiteSox - what do you think his ceiling is? Sale Rodon Shark Quintana Fulmer EJ, Montas, Danish, Beck in the wings. Staff looks real good to me. Just get some hitters lol Going to have to trade some of those guys to get a decent team, unless one can be built trading everyone but Sale and Abreu. Danish, Beck = pen, but possibly good ones.

Scott Carroll. That wasn't even a serious effort by Hahn. I guess he keeps Prince Robin happy in the clubhouse.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 08:44 PM) Chris Beck is on the disabled list. I've made the point regarding EJ repeatedly. At least check the disabled list before you suggest pitching the guy please? i.e. any Charlotte starter is preferred to Danks. Use the opportunity to check out other pitchers. With Robin, of course, it's make sure Danks completely blows up and then go back to Scott Carroll.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 08:31 PM) Brad Penny or Scott Carroll? Eric Johnson Junior Guerra Chris Beck Kyle Drabek Terance Marin Any of the above > Danks or Carroll or Penny

How is the consistently poor baserunning anything but poor coaching?

Good gracious - can they go a single game without an out on the base-paths? Worst baserunning team ever. I didn't see the play but usually you can score from 1st on a 2 out double as well (earlier play)

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) Guy #1 Sale & Samardzija for Schwarber, Castro, Almora and Alcantara. Done. Done? As in Hahn will be done as GM of the White Sox? That doesn't get Sale by himself. And forget all of this flipping stuff. Every time the Sox make a bad trade, I hear "they're going to flip him." Sox don't flip. Nobody flips.