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I agree

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:39 PM) Except those are the people they are trying to keep engaged. A plan does them no good if their fans think they quit. it does a lot of good if it works. And you aren't going to win without a plan, except with an occasional fluke. And if you don't win you lose your fans anyway.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:19 PM) Why would a non playoff team block him? And a team in contention might be willing to trade something for him. They wouldn't. But a playoff contender would. I have to bone up on exactly how the waiver deals work, but I think the Sox would need the contender with the worst record to actually want him. Otherwise, that team would just claim to block, knowing we wouldn't just let him go.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:47 PM) 100% wrong. The fact that you referenced the White Flag trade is exactly why they didn't trade Jeff Samardjiza. Sox fans are STILL bringing that up after almost 20 years. yea, but the front office isn't fans. They are professionals. They shouldn't be bothered with that if they have a plan. You know how they could have overcome white flag with the fans? Show that deadline selling works. Such as trading for Varitek and Derrick Lowe instead of Foulke, Howry and a bunch of duds. Or show a history of deadline selling to build a winner.

probably the correct decision. Buying would have been flailing at the wind. Didn't have much to sell except for Samardzija and perhaps some bullpen pitchers.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 11:55 AM) Their starting pitching is still meh It's a lot better than it was. And they had a lead on us even with that meh pitching. And they added Tulo.

The overreaction would be to buy with this team, ignoring 3.5 months for the sake of a week. Does Sale have to be left out there to get completely bombed? The bullpen isn't exactly overworked (to say the least).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 06:04 PM) I would offer Beck to the Padres and Tigers. First to say yes has a deal. Yep Pirates gave their #13 prospect for Soria. There's your market.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:49 PM) Can Fulmer be traded? If we're trying to avoid things from the big league squad, Micah + Fulmer + Anderson + Montas could be close. If not then it's a price the Sox wouldn't do (Rodon/Quintana). 2014 OPS: .724 2015 OPS: .752 Adam eaton OPS 2015: .751 Tyler saladino OPS 2015: .746 Longoria is 30. He's not the same player. H How is this anything but hero-worship.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) That package would be for both Ross and Upton. Could still be too much but I'm just a fan with an opinion. Reddick is my #1 target for a hitter but I like the idea of getting Tyson Ross as well. Problem ks, getting those two would clean the farm pretty good. Reddick is purely a platoon hitter. Hits lefties worse than Laroche. For the price of a platoon, fine. Tyson Ross would be a good pitcher here.....but that seems more of a December trade, unless you are going to move Shark as part of the deal.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:26 PM) I'm curious about what a package would look like. Avi, Erik Johnson, Micah Johnson + ? For 2 months of a .763 OPS that's a fair exchange? He's not a superstar....not even close. He's a good hitter...that's all. Maybe 1 of those guys, if that. Adam Eaton has a .751 OPS....he's under control until 2021. What could we get for him? 10 x that price?

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:15 PM) Put this in the Soria thread, but I have a feeling that we are in a 3-team trade with the Pirates and Tigers involving Soria, Sellers, and Cespedes. So who would come from the Pirates to the Sox or vice-versa to warrant 3 teams?

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:00 PM) Just got an ESPN alert on my phone: "White Sox confused about whether to be buyer or seller at trade deadline - league source" That must be a really s***ty league source. I can understand that - it's not an easy call. Or it could be Hahn = Sell; Williams = Buy. Solution = stand pat.

No one's going to have to empty the farm, or trade a top 100, for 2 months of these hitters. I hope we get neither - don't give up young players for a slim chance at a wild card. I'd rather trade Shark and roll with Johnson and we'd probably not take much of a step back. But of the 2, would far prefer Upton. Don't need any of these "I won't play RF" guys on team. Cespedes has a career OBP of .316. And don't want to send a player to Tigers.

The Knights facing the Finnegan of Johnny Cueto fame.

Nice

Charlotte is short of infielders. Maybe Micah's injury will keep him out a while.

Josh Reddick is another guy who is absolutely atrocious against lefty pitching. He is a platoon hitter . He's also having a career year. Whether he can repeat it is far from a sure thing. Lawrie - well he would add to the team's tat collection. Revere is Shuck Pitch framing is absolutely a legitimate skill.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 12:37 PM) This trade would be immediately followed by a press release announcing Rick Hahn's resignation/firing. yep

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) San Diego looking to save some money. Kemp plus cash (LAD paying 3+ per year) SD pays additional 8 mill in 2017 and 18 and takes Danks. Danks due 15 million plus next year makes up difference for rest of this year and 2016. Danks could succeed in that ball park. Kemp doesn't really have split differential plays right. Avi platoons at dh with La Roche. Johnson comes up from AAA to take Danks spot. We don't lose any prospects and last years of Kemp may not be pretty but if our cost is 10 per not bad. Last couple years could even be lhp dh after LaRoche gone I like the thinking to get someone on the cheap...but his OPS is a miserly .713 and his D is pretty bad these days. I saw a suggestion for a flip of Ethier + cash for Danks. Same kind of deal (Ethier having a better year, but been bad since June).

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 10:43 AM) but the rumors before we got AJ was all bad, but when he was on the team, he was good.... so why not the same with Gomez??? Well for one thing AJ was brought in at the beginning of the year; not in the middle when the chemistry and clubhouse are all set. And the Sox did a lot of due diligence on AJ. And honestly with laid back Ventura, we do need players who will behave, listen to the coaches, respect the coaches, etc.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 10:52 AM) Is Cespedes a Free Agen my after this season? yes

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 07:03 AM) If the Twins finish over .500, I'll be surprised. The road trip to NY, Bal, and TB will be their big test. The Twins actually lead this thing and are reputed to have a deep farm. They apparently aren't even trying for any pitching help. If they don't get any help, the competition will be the Orioles and Jays.

Zero moves. But if any good player is traded it will be Micah Johnson.

I hate to see Cleveland make good moves.