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QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 20, 2014 -> 04:36 PM) I agree with you to an extent, but my problem is that when the Sox do something well nobody says anything or gives Ventura props, but hey a player passes gas and it's on Ventura. And what bothers me even more that no one will post anything until some bad happens and it's all about bashing Ventura. What irks me is that people still can't seem to remember this year is a retooling year.... Because like you said, he doesn't swing or pitch. It's not Ventura's fault that Danks or Webb pitched poorly. It is his fault that he left them in well past the point when it was obvious that they didn't have it (doubly true for Danks, when we really don't need him to get totally mauled when we're trying to move him). It's not Ventura's fault L Garcia can't hit. It is his fault when the only reason he's hitting is because he pulled one of the best hitters in baseball for a pinch runner. He did a good job getting Petricka out of there yesterday. Should have mentioned it. But the manager is paid to make proper decisions. So he gets properly rewarded for those decisions.

Unfortunate that a lot of the guys we need to move off of this team are really spitting the bit.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 20, 2014 -> 04:12 PM) Is that all you got? That's all you can chime in with? Really? I'm not saying Ventura is perfect but sheesh give it a rest all ready. Would you be happy if it would have Ozzie? Or maybe LA Russa. The manager uses what he's got, I don't see Ventura pitching or hitting, so relax once in a while. That's the point - he didn't use what he's got. And he consistently doesn't. But if you think leaving starters in to give up 12 edit hits in 4 innings, and intentionally walking 190 hitters is proper baseball strategy, fine. I certainly won't complain about you posting your opinion.

As usual, Ventura waits until a pitcher gets completely destroyed before he lifts him (and he never did lift him) with an IW to a .190 hitter for the coup de grace.

Danks needs to go. But Ventura consistently leaves ineffective starters in way too long. Danks, in particular should have been pulled to protect whatever trade value he has left. He is 5th starter at best and we're stuck with him for 2 years and #2 starter money.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 07:37 PM) 12 up 12 down for Beck. No k's. 9 groundouts. A young Scott Carroll.

It looks like Putnam should be the closer, at least for a while. No need to rush Rodon. At this level of performance, Noesi remains, at best, a #5.

Sox need to trade Danks if they can get some value. The Sox have absolutely no place for Edwin Jackson

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) EJax did pretty well here under Coop & we need another righty. So here's my crazy 3-way trade idea: Sox send out Danks and Beckham to the Yankees, take back Edwin Jackson from the Cubs Cubs send us a good prospect and a RP or something to dump Jackson's salary The Yankees send us Murphy and a low level arm We send a fairly insignificant piece back to the Cubs for PR reasons/effect (i.e. the formula of the typical salary dump deal, you get your Brandon Hynick and you act like you are happy about it) So in summation: we basically swap Danks for EJax and pick up prospects.... does this work? It seems like EJax has very little trade value and the Cubs want to dump him, whereas Danks may have some little bit of trade value and we do not have to dump him. So we just swap the 2 contracts and get prospects for doing so, and balance the L-R part of our rotation in anticipation of Rodon. Jackson is terrible. Just take Danks for JR Murphy and a low level arm and I'll do a dance.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 18, 2014 -> 11:17 AM) Not really seeing a good match.....I think the Sox should/will be targeting near MLB ready prospects and the O's don't really have any of that. I'll take good AA and A prospects for Danks Sox aren't going to get a real good major-league ready prospect for him anyway. Alexei's a different story.

I think the Astros try to game the system too much, but if they think he's injured, then they did what they have to do. The system should allow for a comp draft.

Pretty good SS prospect and a good hitting prospect. In the end, Street is a relief pitcher.

Last stats I saw had Wilkins' OBP at below .300. Micah needs to work on the strike zone. Still a lot of low OBP ballplayers.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2014 -> 07:30 PM) Questionable decision to send him there with Abreu up next. Ridiculous decision. Can this staff ever think one move ahead?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 08:31 AM) Just heard on SportsCenter that Kemp either wants to play, or wants to get traded. First, are any of you interested in Kemp if the Dodgers pick up most of his deal and what would you give up? Second, if they are not willing to eat any money, he's probably worth Chris Curley with that contract. Thoughts on Kemp? 5 years $105 million for an OPS in the 700s. And we get send players to the Dodgers for the privilege. Good lord, no. And didn't the Sox abandon the declining veteran philosophy anyway?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:23 PM) The Royals look like they picked up a solid RP in former Sox player (and Chicagoan IIRC) Jason Frasor. I'm not sure what this means for us but I imagine the value of a Belisario or something is probably a lot closer to what the Rangers received for Frasor than what the Pirates got from the Marlins earlier this year (comp balance draft pick). The question is, is there even a market for ANY of our relievers? I would hope so but to me it doesn't look that way. What is the market for Putnam and do we even consider trading him for that price? Do we consider trading Petricka for anything less than a haul given how atrocious our pen is? Could we get anyone with a pulse for Belisario? Belisario comp is reasonable....he actually has better numbers this year than Frasor

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:00 PM) FWIW, we put Mitchell in AA before he had gotten over the A+ hump and then put him in AAA before he got over the AA hump. We put him in a really tough position, developmentally speaking. There was no good reason to believe he'd do well in AAA based on anything he'd done before when we put him there.I agree with this. He let High A way too early and even though he was doing okay at AA, he wasn't performing at a level to raise him. I'm willing to see if he's turned a corner, but I wouldn't move him anytime soon. Low A Excellent Injured - out for a year High A- Poor AA - Okay AAA - Bad AA - Terrible AAA - Awful AA - Great

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 04:49 PM) I believe he has to wait three years to be draft eligible again, as long as the original drafting team followed all of the rules for attempting to sign a pick. Is that the rule? It seems way out of wack and gives the player no leverage. if you don't sign for 2 bucks, you wait 3 years? There has to be a way to get back into the draft the next season, if the club offers, say, under 85% of slot.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 04:20 PM) I honestly think we need to be focusing on the best players available more so than zeroing in on certain positions. It might be different if we had any really valuable assets we were willing to move, but as far as I know, that is not the case. Agree

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:03 AM) There's nothing wrong with his level of production -- he's at 136 wRC+ for the season. The question about trading him, to me, just comes down to if we think this is the peak of his value. The question is whether someone will pay a price that reflects that his production this year is his norm and will continue. I don't think they will. And if they don't, keep him. He looks like he can hit and that's more valuable. We have higher trading priorities anyway- like the SS.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) He just goes to college if he doesn't sign. Which is pretty dumb IMO. I believe he has to wait 2 years and with how hard he throws it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he meets tommy john in those 2 years and doesn't end up getting close to what he could have got this year. What if he doesn't want to go to college? They should allow supplemental drafts in baseball;

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 14, 2014 -> 06:37 PM) I'd think left field is a better bet than 2nd base for him. I don't imagine any team would give up anything of superior value for him because he wasn't a super-highly touted prospect, and he's only proven himself for half a season. I also don't know why, in a rebuild, we'd want to give up someone this productive and cheap under team control. I suppose if someone offered us a very good young catcher or right handed starter, but I don't see it happening. Even if Davidson does actually pan out an win the job from Gillaspie, platooning Conor at DH and having him back up at 3rd, 1st, and perhaps LF makes too much sense for our right-handed heavy lineup. Agree I'd like to see him get some work in LF if there's any hope at all of him playing OF. If his hitting keeps up, he'd be a good OF for us - at least a good platoon OF. Get another one like him from the right side, and you have good production from left, plus some DH and 1B/eB backup.

Likely not because we wouldn't be selling high. Sox won't get much for him because he's got a thin resume. If he had a couple of, say, average years and then did this, then you could sell high. And honestly, it looks like we may have (stress MAY) found someone who can actually hit, with a good OBP and all. We're loaded with these guys with tools that can't get on base. Gillsapie's refreshing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2014 -> 11:00 AM) Thus the White Sox should also be in a position to hold out for a higher price or decide not to move him at all. If they don't move him I will not be mad. If they didn't move Peavy I'd have been very mad. I'll be disappointed if we don't at least seriously try to move Alexei. And I don't think we're seriously trying. We didn't have to move Peavy last year - he had a year left. But I thought it was urgent because 1.5 years > 1 year, but also the risk of him declining was high. I see the same risk in Alexei. And as each day passes, the risk climbs (especially if he keeps up the miserable offense he's been putting up for the last month). Thankfully, Peavy pitched well leading up to the deadline last year. I'll take a top 50 prospect +3 A Ball prospects for him (essentially what we got for Peavy).

We got one top 100 prospect for Addison Reed. We should be able to get more for Alexei. As for the Peavy return, we barely got what we did for Peavy. The only team that would give us a top prospect we liked was a team that didn't need Peavy. The number of sellers is only going to rise, so we need to get with it.