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I'm okay with prospects, as long as they are really good prospects - grade A prospects. My first preference would be to get a real top flight player; that looks doubtful, and we dont' need any mediocre small upgrades. I'd much prefer prospects to, say, trading him for someone like Blalock.

Taveras has no plate discipline and no power. I'll take our chances with Anderson before actually trading a player to get Taveras.

QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 07:35 PM) I wouldn't say he is overrated, it is just people expected more out of him after 2004. For under a $1 million a year he is a steal for a guy with a lifetime BA of .285, OBP of .373, and averages of 15 HR and 75 RBI a year. He is also a Lefty which is a plus. He's a decent hitter - for a left fielder; just not as a first baseman, unless he's on the bosox or yanks and surrounded by lots of other power hitters.

QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) Sign Konerko. Thats the only thing left to do. We need a 4th outfielder and maybe a 5th. Borchard will probably be one of them.

QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 12:00 AM) Why not Pierre? The Marlins are looking to give away all their good players and build up the farm again. Because our defense will take a beating and he is a swing at anything hitter with zero power.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) I think when it comes to starters we are done. We might aquire bench depth, but the Sox starting line up is set IMO. If that's the case, the fans are defrauded. Because Anderson makes less than Rowand did last year and Thome makes less than Konerko last year (aggregate of around $4mill). And the disparity is even greater compared to what Rowand and Konerko will make in 2006. So that would mean that JR is taking his championship, taking his sold out season tickets, and slashing payroll. I certainly hope that isn't the case.

QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Nov 22, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) I agree Rowand44. By trading Rowand to the Phillies for Thome OR By trading Crede to the Marlins for Pierre You will not lose one of our big pitchers. You could see some minor league talent in the deals but not B-Mac. I also believe Marte has seen his last days in Chicago, but that is just me. I believe KW will try to make deals without involving our pitchers. Pitching won us the ring. Or we could trade Rowand for Thome and not completely destroy our defense in the process. We wouldn't be "okay" defensively with Pierre in center - far from it. We have a few years to go with Crede before we have to worry about Boras.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:28 PM) The ultimate trade would be Pierre and Delgado for Rowand, Anderson and someone else, but that's just dreaming. Pierre can't hit - no thanks. The Marlins have been looking for an upgrade in CF for a year. The Marlins are great at hyping their stiffs that they want to trade (if you listened to them in July, AJ Burnett was Roger Clemens) We have a lot of young outfielders in the minors; we should use the surplus to strengthen weaknesses, like offense. I don't know whether or not Anderson can hit ML pitching. But it's pretty clear that he can play good D. But I do know that we need to either use players like Anderson or trade them; don't let them rot on the vine like Schueler did. And right now, Rowand is our best trading chit and the Yankees seem enthralled with him (although that would take a 3 way deal as they have nothing we need). Only Young and McCarthy should be untouchables, imo.

I went to high school with Lyle. At that time, basketball was his game. Smart and well spoken guy.

QUOTE(joeynach @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) If Paulie leaves my vote is for a trade to acquire Hillenbrand or Overbay, preferably Overbay since hes younger and has a much higher OBP and walks more. Let Andersen take over after 2006 when Dye's contract is up and possibly let him DH this year. Overbay has insufficient power for 1B. We could compensate for it somewhere else, but we won't - no one available. The Overbays, Graces and Oleruds look good on stat sheets with all of their walks, but they don't cut it unless surrouned by a few guys who can hit homers (as Olerud was in Seattle and Toronto and NY).

Please no. I do wonder what teams are willing to pay for a past his prime player like Damon.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) Obviously Konerko is the Sox number 1 priority and Thomas is number 2. However I think they have to try to sign Everett. He has been key to this team. he is a leader in the clubhouse and he might be a very good guy to come off the bench. He would also come pretty cheap. He brings an attitude to the clubhouse that was key to this team. Just like Pierzynksi that brought a swagger to this team. I also have a feeling he wants to come back. Git r done Kenny. He didn't have a good 2nd half and he can't play the field. We need to make changes to keep the team fresh. I'd start there and then look to the outfield perhaps.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 10:50 AM) That comparison doesn't work at all. The move to 1B is one of the easiest around, when players get older and it becomes more of a hassle to move around in the outfield they can find new wind at a spot like 1B where there isn't as much movement. You use Carl moving to CF as a joke, Carl can't play out there anymore considering how much speed he's lost however Dye could go to first pretty easily. Konerko is the same, slow as f***. Dye to first isn't all that far fetched, OF to 1B isn't that tough of a move especially if you have some previous experience at the position. Erstad moved from the OF to 1B and ended up winning a GG last season. Dye doesn't produce enough for an offensive position like 1B. You need a home-run hitter and/or a big time OBP player. Dye produces neither. Makes the Sox significantly worse. That should be plan ZZZZZZZ

Boston has no pitching. Good matchup for us. If we lose, we lose, but pitching trumps hitting. And with their pitching, we'll score some runs ourselves.

I'd like to see ElD on this playoff roster. He's a great postseason pitcher and could be a terror out of the pen for us.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 04:35 PM) With most of the big names not likely to get moved -- AJ Burnett, Jason Schmidt, and Billy Wagner -- I don't think there is anyone on the market worth trading Brandon McCarthy for. Not Aubrey Huff, Eddie Guardado, etc., etc., and definitely not Danys "Blown Save" Baez. One of the posts on here noted that McCarthy has settled down at AAA, with a 1.80 ERA over his last 3 games, including an 8-inning shut out last time out. I think McCarthy could still help us as a last arm in the bullpen if they would let him finish his AAA season and bring him up as a September call up. And I don't want to mortgage the future of the franchise for a mediocre player that isn't go to be the key to the future of this team like Brandon McCarthy could be. Where would we be this year if we'd dumped Jon Garland for the mediocre 1B of the Angels? We'd be about even with the Twins, and likely to fade down the stretch like we did each of the last 3 years. We need to keep core, impact, young ballplayers. As someone said, the best chance to win it all is to be in the postseason every year, not just one out of every 5 years. Sure, we've got an excellent chance this year, and I'm willing to part with non-essential pieces. But I'm going to be sick if we pull another Kip Wells/Josh Fogg type overpayment deal on someone who never contributed a lick to our team. KEEP MCCARTHY (and Politte, Cotts, Sweeney, Young, and Jenks). I concur with your sentiments, but we may need to trade him anyway. But, I'd much rather see us trade an outfield prospect, since we have so many. Fogg and Wells aren't even top rung pitchers, and the loss of them hurts anyway. I think McCarthy is going to be a really good pitcher. We are really set up to contend for a long time. WE have some good, but old, players under reasonable, but short term contracts. They'll roll off, and it sure would be nice to replace some of them with some young players. We'll need to. If we trade 3 or 4 prospects this year, better hope we win it all this year; and that's even more the case if we pick up some bad contracts along the way M

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 08:10 PM) The lastest from John Marzano is the following as heard on Comcast Sportsnet in Philly: Sox: Wagner Phils: BMac and Marte Don't shoot the messenger.... I hate giving up McCarthy (our only pitching prospect and a damn good one), but that trade's okay in our situation. Better than other proposals I've seen, that have us throwing in 2 other players/prospects, which woud be ridiculous. We need a bat more, though.

QUOTE(hi8is @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 11:59 PM) well last year rojer clemons said of schmidt: "before he got injured, he was the only pitcher up there with me in the cy young race." just food for thought But he got injured.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 11:46 PM) Jeckle you obviously dont know much about Schmidt if you are this much against him, the guy is a total stud and is just having a slow start, but b4 his last outing he had like 3 pretty dominating starts in a row I think it was like 21-24 innings only giving up 3 runs..... How do you know that he's "just having a slow start"? Wasn't he recently injured? How many "stud" years as he had in his career? Why should we pay a Johnson/Schilling price for Jason Schmidt?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 4, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) You could give Houston the top 4 prospects in the White Sox system, it will not be enough to get Roy Oswalt. Houston signed him to a 2 year extension this off-season, and I believe he is arbitration eligible after that meaning they control him this season + 2 more. Of course we have no chance to get Oswalt, but the spirit of his post is on the money. If you want to trade your farm system, do so for a quality top notch pitcher, not damaged goods. As for the strikeouts, in cubbie/kerry wood parlance, strikeouts by themselves offer probative value.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 03:04 PM) I hope not. He's going to get far to much money and he just isn't worth it. I'd rather give Ross or Rogo a shot and use the money elsewhere but that's jmo. Meanwhile the sox got the best record in baseball and who cares about the offseason I agree that he isn't worth the money, but we need to replace his power.

Get ready, Cliff.

What gives us a better chance to win a WS? Trade our future for 3 month rental of Schmidt? Or keep producing playoff teams for the next 5 years, replacing Dye, the cubans, etc. with cheaper talent (which may or may not be talent, agreed) from our farm system, freeing up cash to pursue free agents and pay the raises that MB et al will deserve and get from someone? I believe that the latter approach is wiser given our budget constraints. Now if he's healthy AND if we plan on signing him, that's another story. But you don't pay a price like we paid for Garcia, short of confidence in him being in the long term plans. And it appears that the Giants are asking more than the Mariners asked for Garcia.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) well Jason Schmidt is the closest thing we are going to get to Roger Clemens.... Astro's probably wont trade him just because of the fans he brings to the park and Clemens wont go anywhere besides the yanks or rangers. and with how El Duque has pitched, well Id say we definitly need an ace to anchor this staff along side Buehrle.... so Yes to Schmidt No to Lilly If Schmidt is significantly better than one of our top 3 starters, it's something to consider. Don't know his contract status, but if it's strictly a 3 month rent, then we should pay a low price. If we must rent, I would rather the sure bet - rent Clemens. El D and Contreras won't help in the playoffs, except out of the pen.

We need a 5th starter (maybe - hopefully, Duque will get healthy and we won't have to waste resources on a 5th starter, as they don't pitch in the playoffs). Or we need a killer starter like Clemens (and really no one else) - Houston is still in the wild card race, so they ain't dealing him soon. To spend a bunch of players, money on some #3 quality starter makes no sense. Unless his name his Clemens, no pitcher we get will be much better, if better at all, than Garland, Garcia or MB. I doubt they'd be better than Contreras, to tell the truth.