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QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 12:53 PM) If you put KW's comments together, Jerry Owens seems like a lock to be starting in LF next season. With that in mind, Xavier Nady would be a great acquisition to fill in against LHP. The Pirates are desperate to get rid of him, and you could probably get him for someone like Adam Russell and Heath Phillips. Nady could really help against LHP, and then just let OC lead off against. You don't give talent like Russell or Phillips for a platooner.

QUOTE(yoyozuna @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 10:23 AM) With thw WMs starting on Monday and KW being known for his wheelings and dealings I was curious what people thought about the number of moves that will be done. I am going with 3. (two trades and one free agent signing). I don't know all the deals but here are a few thoughts: 1)We will have a Coco in the OF. 2)We will somehow lose 3 BP arms and gain 1. 3)Both Crede and Fields will still be on the team. 4)One "Surprise move" which will result in the loss of either (Konerko,Dye, or Vasquez) These are just complete gut feelings, feel free to rip my theory apart or add your own thoughts. (PS HELLO to my transplanted SOX family in LEXINGTON, KY!!! HI! BEN! MATTHEW! and JOEY!! oh yeah u too DAN!) 1)HOpe not; Crisp's not particularly more than average and Boston wants legitimate talent for him. That spells bad trade to me. 2)If we lose 3 of Aardsma, MacDougal and that ilk, that sounds like a positive situation. If we lose young strong armed pitchers like Egbert or Russell to acquire yet another veteran reliever, that is a disaster. 3)Could be fine for the right deal, if it's Konerko or Dye.

Dotel is an arsonist.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 12:19 PM) What's weird is, it seemed like the club had one of the best benches in baseball in 2006 - Mack, Ozuna, Cintron, Gload and Alomar. But with Ozuna's injury, Gload gone, Mack being traded, Alomar replaced by Hall and Cintron inexplicably falling apart... they suddenly had one of the worst benches in baseball in 2007 with the likes of Gonzalez, Hall, Terrero, Molina, etc. There's not a legitimate major league hitter on the bench in either 2006 and, indeed, it was worse in 2007. Mack was the best of the bunch.

I'd rather have Uribe. Eckstein's D is not good....Ozzie has affirmatively debased defense for the last 2 seasons, but hopefully not to this extent.

Ozzie manages this team to the 2nd to worst record in baseball, and is incapable of developing young talent. Yea, he gets an A.

Exactly zero patience with young players; so he throws him into left, which is a longshot for him. In 4 years of managing this club, Ozzie still hasn't turned a single young player into a regular. Not a single hitter has signficantly improved under this coaching staff.

More Ozzie-ball.

He swings at everything, just like Uribe and his OBP shows it. He hits a few more HRs, but faces NL pitching. He's marginally better than Uribe....but not that much. Certainly nothing to do a dance over and say we've improved. Plus, to get Green we'll have to give something up. When I see these Garland for Green (plus the obligatory A ball pitcher) suggestions I want to laugh: essentially trading Garland for a minor upgrade over Uribe.

Every sportswriter basically says the same thing: let's add more Ozzie-style hitters to the team: swing at everything, low obp, moderate to low power - just like Ozzie likes it. Unfortunately, Ozzie's offensive theories have resulted in the worst offense in the AL, if not baseball. Green ( Uribe with long hair), Rowand (ho hum), Eckstein (worse than Uribe - his D is mediocre)....ugh...Any chance we get some real talent on this club?

I'm glad he's preaching OBP. Has he told Ozzie about that? And can anyone on this staff teach/coach it? Ozzie Guillen? Greg Walker? If the adage "if you can't do, teach" applies maybe so. But those 2 swung at everything. Plus, what's the point in preaching OBP to someone like Uribe, who would likely lose his power? Or Erstad, a grizzled veteran who's been swinging at everything for 10+ years?

There are worse things than a slappy speedster at leadoff (also better things at leadoff, I agree). Like tonight, Ozzie's feature presentation is Erstad in the 5 hole....that's offense, Ozzie-style.

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Aug 12, 2007 -> 03:52 PM) Ozzie isn't doing a great job managing, but this team isn't that good either. It's a matched set. Some of the clods we have on this team are laughable. We won't compete next year, not without some serious upgrades in SEVERAL positions. One of the reasons the personnel is so bad is because Ozzie wants the Erstad/Mack/Cintron/ and assorted other crap hitters on this team; and because he has no patience with young hitters. We're damn lucky that the Sox won the WS before Ozzie had a chance to screw up the personnel. Ozzie gets the most out of his personnel...the personnel isn't very good and he has major influence in who is on this roster.

Looks like he's slowing down to me. Still, to play some left and DH against lefties, he'd be a great piece, if at the right price. But I doubt that's what he wants (although I don't think anyone's going to give him some huge lt deal).

QUOTE(3E8 @ Aug 12, 2007 -> 02:46 AM) I don't know how you feel about these guys, but there are other young players who have gotten a chance recently to prove themselves (Anderson, Masset, Owens) more than Floyd has and haven't been great, and I do not know that had they worked out it would bring the same upside to our team. Floyd at this point hasn't had more than two consecutive starts still. So my thinking is, we're clearly out of contention, put Gavin in the rotation the rest of the year which will be about 6 or 7 starts. That way we'll know for certain if he can work with Coop and make strides to actually harness his talent with some sort of consistency, or if he is just mentally/physically incapable of being a successful pitcher at the major league level. I agree - he has talent, so use him the rest of the year. Let's see what he has. Plenty of young players, including pitchers, need a fair chance. We're out of it, so we can give him the chance.

If he finds his form, he still isn't worth $10 mill a year, when the Sox have glaring holes at short and in the OF. Dump him for salary.

No because this isn't the same Ozzie that managed the WS. It was about the team, now it's all about Ozzie. I'll edit out the rest because it's been hashed enough.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) The payroll has gone up each year along with the increase in attendance which has taken a hit this season, I doubt we see anything close to a $8M-$10M increase in payroll next year, that just doesn't seem to make sense going by the history. An $8-$10 mill increase would be mostly used by Dye or his replacement. That's why we need some young talent in this organization badly. And Contreras isn't helping sucking out $10 mill. Williams has a tough job on his hands developing a real offense for next season.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 02:25 PM) Who cares if he strikes out a bit? If it means he's taking strong cuts and is hitting 20-30 homers, I could care less. Then why not keep Dye if that's all that counts? Pena is also in an arbitration year...he's a rental unless you offer him arbitration. 20 homers, crummy defense and lots of ks really isn't that hard to find.

QUOTE(DonnyDevito @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 03:42 PM) a team like the braves would overpay for someone like Bobby jenks. he's so young and already a perenial all star. there are a few contending teams that don't have a closer ever near Bobby Jenk's level. If I read correctly, the Rangers just got the Braves' top 3 prospects. Where do we sign up?

Just what we need - more career middle relievers. More Siscos, MacDougals, Riskes and Aardsmas. That's worked so much better than developing young players like Jenks and Thorntons; and the price of those middle relievers is immense. Why would the Sox even consider doing that? We should be trading our mediocre middle relievers. Hell Bucvich's stats are a lot better than he really is...any chance a team will fall for our pitcher who has an ERA below 4? (but pitches like his ERA is 10) You don't ignore middle relief. You build it with quality, including your young pitchers. Trading Gio for Qualls would be laughably stupid. Loading it up with mediocre veterans, which is what Williams did last year, usually fails and it did. HOpefully Williams really wasn't trying to get Turnbow on the Sox. Mercy, would that have been bad.

Ozzie didn't like harris, so he got Williams to trade for the woeful Cintron.

We shouldn't accept $.30 on the dollar, but there's no reason why we have to. There will be some serious offers for some of our players. But we do need new players. This team had a lot of bad luck this year, but some of it isn't just bad luck....it's a declining team and talent.

We need players who can hit the ball off and over walls as well. Hitters like Dye was the prior 2 years. We need speed, but please no more Ozzie-style singles hitters.

The only managerial skill Ozzie Guillen has ever displayed is the ability to keep the team confident and playing to their abilities. Now he can't even do that. Otherwise, he's a clown manager. A shift on a .200 hitter - that's just cynical. His staff is ridiculously weak, the team can't execute fundamentals, the hitters are impatient, the use of personnel is nutty (cintron as a pinch hitter; killing our defense with Mack in CF last year; Erstad as a leadoff hitter), his pitching acumen is limited to lefty/righty, he throws young players under the bus and has expressed disinterest in working with young players, he has yet to develop a single hitter, et al et al et al. Thank goodness we won before Ozzie had worked his magic and turned the entire offense into a bunch of dink hitter swing at everything types that he loves.