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QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 04:39 PM) There is a workaround in making the trade for a PTBNL, in which case the guy who hasn't cleared waivers stays with his current team until the end of the season and then goes to the other team to complete the trade. Sort of an, "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" kind of deal. They let teams do that? Then that takes care of the other half needing to clear waivers. Danks will clear waivers, so we'll see what happens.

Go ahead with your bad self and Price, Detroit. See if you win a WS. I'll be rooting against you.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) b. Work out a mutually acceptable trade with the claiming team. c. Accept the claim and give the player and his entire contract to the claiming team (see Rios, Alex). Of course the Sox got L Garcia, so they must have done b. And doesn't b. require that the player going the other way also clear waivers?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 04:02 PM) They didn't need to move him. If they weren't getting the right value - and they weren't asking for a lot (I wasn't in there and I know that, I can read between the lines) - there's no need to move him. This is exactly what Eminor has mentioned on a few different occasions. The value Danks represents is less than his contract, so the Sox would have to pick up money just to move him. He's not worthless though, as he's a viable option at the back end of the rotation. Still, no team is going to give up a very good piece for Danks. Thus, you're basically asking yourself: is it better to keep John Danks at $14 million for the next 2 years and have him act as a back of the rotation starter, eating innings for the Sox, or include $8-10 million (thus only saying somewhere around $22-24 million), needing to bring in another back of the rotation starter, and getting little to no value for John Danks? The answer to the question is that Danks is worth much more to the White Sox and it's better to keep him at $14 mill. Danks will cost the Sox roughtly 28.5 million for the next 2 years. If they could have gotten rid of the contract for that $8-$10 million and gotten some value in return, yes they should have taken it. At this point, given that the deadline has passed, I hope they still move him to relieve $20 million of salary over 2 years and to heck with the value in return. That money can be better spent elsewhere. The Sox can live with Noesi as 5th starter.

The value in the trade went to the Mariners. What a steal they got. A clown trade for Tampa - pitiful, really. I don't understand Cameron suggesting Price is overpaid at $20 mill...he really isn't.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 01:13 PM) That's why I don't believe he was ever being traded. Not only is Hahn risking injury, but he's also putting him up against one of the top offenses in baseball. I agree. There's no way you let him pitch today if you wanted to trade him (and pay the $10 mill or so required to trade him). And he's complying, putting up a clown show this afternoon.

It's amazing that all 3 of those A ball and below prospects we got from Boston are looking really good a year later.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) It's very unlikely that today's performance really changed opinions teams have of Danks. He is a back-end rotation arm making $15 million. Today will not change that. Bah Back end piece who is pitching well > back end piece who's pitching poorly.

What a day for Danks to pitch like a clown.

I love the Bosox trades. Oh, I don't know if they were that great, but they are old school: veteran for veteran. Like it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 12:12 PM) They can still trade John Danks. They haven't given up anything. If they scratch him, they indicate that they want to trade him no matter what. They aren't getting the price they want, they believe they can get more out of him from the Yankees (or Marlins), and they do not have to trade him. If the Yankees want to play ball, then they can play ball and the Sox will pull him from the game. The purchasing team gets one less start out of him. That = lower value. I could sort of tell this last night when Rienzo, the presumptive starter, pitched (not that he couldn't have pitched a couple of innings today).

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 12:00 PM) Not this close to game time. He's been warming up for a while now so all signs point to Danks starting this game. They didn't scratch him, so they gave up 3 hours before the deadline.

The Sox have to scratch Danks, don't they, if they have any interest in making a deal.

So they haven't scratched him? Giving up 3 hours before the deadline?

Nice trade. Card dealt surplus; Boston may be able to turn one of those 2 around.

Now we're pining for Salty and his .228 batting average? Good lord (I realize he walks some). He also has defensive holes in his game. (Flowers is a better framer, and may be a better thrower too). The grass is always greener........ 2b, RF, and LF are far bigger issues than catcher. A Garcia might fix RF. Johnson might fix 2B. But right now, they are bigger issues. Young talent please. We trade for Salty we have traded for a mediocre catcher.

With all of these ground ball pitchers, we could use a tad more defensive range in the infield.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 04:38 PM) Which the White Sox almost never do...unless you count $1 million for Rios. Or Linebrink. But 90% of the time, they would rather save the money and forgo the prospects. Well, we should eat some salary. The payroll's lower than norm this year and probably will be next year.

Wouldn't we have taken that prospect for danks?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 12:03 PM) I think you're crazy if you think Beckham would get claimed. Frankly, Dunn too. Beckham is still owed a couple million and he's been terrible this year. Dunn is still owed like $5 million, does nothing defensively, and can't hit lefties. Viciedo I'm in agreement on. For the same reason that the dodgers actually traded for Darwin Barney and the sox claimed Moises Sierra

Neither Viciedo nor Beckham will make it through waivers. I doubt Dunn would. Danks probably would. Don't see why the Sox would let Danks go for free,though; they're not in bad budget shape at all.

Law watched the Dash play and commented on 2 Sox prospects. Says Hawkins' hit tool is still awful, despite improved stats (he whiffed all 3 AB and couldn't lay off BBs in the dirt - sounds familiar in these parts). Says Rodon's range is "unbelievable" with a plus arm and he thinks he'll be able to hit well enough, albeit with no power.

With Sale, Quintana, and presumably Rodon, Sox don't need to invest resources an another Ace level starter. What the Sox need is pitching depth. The gains from that aren't as great as the gains we would get from a couple of 3/4s, a LF who can hit. Or a 2b.

He should challenge this, right?

Quintana can't let this garbage get to him.