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QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:05 PM) Conor has had a rough series on offense. He was 6/17, .352.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 03:37 PM) Erik Johnson needs to face a lineup filled with jared mitchell, matt davidson and Keenyn Walker. If Mitchell, Davidson, and Walker could face a staff that features starters Donnie Veal and Dylan Axelrod, they could get healthy in a hurry.

Why would Diego want Towers back?

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 03:55 PM) If they do trade Alexei, they better get a hell of a haul or it will set the organization back for quite a few years. How so? He's worth a couple of wins a year and is 32. They should be shopping him.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) Jose Bautista and Brett Lawrie both left the game with injuries today. If I'm Rick Hahn, I'd call them and say Gordon Beckham and De Aza is available. What for them to call us - improves our leverage. On another note, Peavy's a 5th starter now, if that. We made a good move dealing him when he still had value left.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 02:48 PM) We're to the point they can just blow up this whole roster besides Abreu, Sale, Quintana, Eaton and Gillaspie...and even considering Conor part of that core is pushing it. Then Garcia coming back next year, and you probably hold onto Petricka and Webb as well. So about 8 players. And we won't be able to trade Danks, so we're stuck with him, thus making it 9. yep, that's pretty much the core. But it gets tougher and tougher to trade the non-core guys as their value craters. We could have moved De Aza in the offseason - not anymore. Ramirez and Beckham could be moved, but most teams are probably just wanting to assume salary. They could hold onto any number in the bullpen - Putnam has pitched the best of all of them. They also could and should trade any bullpen pitcher for whom a good offer is made.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 07:59 AM) I have thought of this as a problem already. If Davidson gets back to where he was at the time of the trade, the lack of dh and missing pieces in the of, where can the sox best use Davidson. 1b / db and let him and Abreu share time dh'ing. of course I am mentioning this for the offseason going forward, That's why I wouldn't trade or sign one of those 1b/DH/3b guys unless it was the final piece of the puzzle. Maybe this July season will be a seller's market. But I wouldn't count on it. With these MLB teams awash in cash, they'll likely look for taking salary before giving up prospects.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 12:06 PM) Has it been determined if he is going to start or relieve? A high 2nd round draft choice as a relief pitcher?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 06:38 PM) They're not going to throw money at Hanley Ramirez, either. Chase Headley is a possibility, simply because he's been so terrible for the Padres for two seasons now...but it always comes back to the fact they don't want to have Abreu DHing full-time at this point in his career. So you can't really move Conor or Davidson to 1B. If we want another declining veteran, go get Headley - and be sure to put up a couple of our best prospects to get him so we can get full deja vu. He's had one great season and a couple of high OBP, Low-power years....what Gillaspie's giving us.

Abreu's probably the best choice for #3, but he's not an ideal #3 either. Gillaspie should bat 2nd. Ideally Dunn would be 6th or so in the lineup, but on this team, he's got to bat up more. Just a lot of holes on this team. Just keep acquiring young talent.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 03:44 PM) Yeah. Giving up a draft pick to sign a pitcher in the offseason is a stupid idea. The Sox are still in the process of acquiring young, cost-controlled players. Shields or another free agent pitcher that costs you resources besides money will not happen in my opinion. And it should not happen. This team has maybe 5-6 above average players and only 2 all star level players. A lot more talent is needed before talks of "going for it" make any sense at all.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 03:44 PM) Yeah. Giving up a draft pick to sign a pitcher in the offseason is a stupid idea. The Sox are still in the process of acquiring young, cost-controlled players. Shields or another free agent pitcher that costs you resources besides money will not happen in my opinion. And it should not happen. This team has maybe 5-6 above average players and only 2 all star level players. A lot more talent is needed before talks of "going for it" make any sense at all.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 10:47 PM) "We could have used 'Downsie' in that situation but Joe is good against lefties," Ventura said. "That isn't necessarily the one (we would bring a lefty in to face). But there are times when it would be nice to have another one down there but our (right-handers), some guys are good against lefties." Actually Mauer was hitting .220 against lefties with no home runs in 91 at-bats. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,4864096.story Stunningly incompetent.

Extending the hapless Ventura, to me, is Hahn's major goof as GM. Of course, that could have been forced from above.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) Hey if someone wants to do the Haren deal for Q then I do it. But no, dumping him for s*** is not a good idea. Not that all the Ms players are s*** or anything but given the amount of $$$, quality, youth, the fact that he can pitch just fine in a hitters park in the AL, etc. you ask for a ton & maybe you throw him out there as a counter to Price. But only for a major haul, and I'd rather go quantity of quality Vs. 3 players headlined by some prospect who everyone loves now but who in the end is probably way overhyped. I agree. And that's often why you go for prospects in high A, but higher end and more of them. they haven't rotted on the vine, always a risk with AAA prospects. All these guys except for a few of your players should have a price. No giveaways, and not even "fair deals" for players like Q, but where we get a surplus in return for another team's high need or desperation.

And Sanchez can play SS, right?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 05:33 PM) The more he trades unproven prospects for MLB proven players like Kenny the better he will be. How many of those trades of prospects for veterans actually benefited the Sox? The Garcia trade, when the top 5 prospect in baseball turned out to be crap. Which other trade of prospects for veterans (usually declining veterans) actually helped significantly? Williams did pretty well DESPITE his love of declining veterans....not because of it. The "For Sale" sign should be brightly lit and blinking for most of the veterans on this team.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) We could get more than that in the offseason, silly. Would you purchase a big time asset at 50% of its value to turn around and sell to the highest bidder 5 months later? Umm, yes.... TB is not trading him for 1/2 his value. This team is not contending this year with or without Shields

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 10:10 PM) Phegley's 8th passed ball of the season tonight. Can't believe he's still having these problems. Cannot be a MLB catcher with the passed ball rate he sports every season how about a position change for Phegley?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 06:55 PM) The AAA rotation has less bearing on the future of this rotation than you'd think. We have three guys that you know what you're getting from them (Sale, Q, Danks) and they are probably slated as a #1, #2 and #4. Then we have Carlos Rodon who may very well be in the rotation this time next year, Erik Johnson who was looked as a solid 3/4 three months ago and a boatload of money to spend. I am not as much worried about the rotation as I am the middle of the order, the defense and the health of the team moving forward. And every team in the bigs is worried about the last-menitoned concern. Ideally, you need 8 or 9 ready to go to be safe and to give yourself some flexibility. Pick 5, keep 2 in AAA, put 2 in the pen. That's ideal. 7 is a necessity. A pitiful Charlotte rotation with zero prospects (we'll see about Johnson) isn't necessarily probative of rotation problems, but in our case it is: Because we don't have any prospects with high ceilings in AA, and, regardless of ceiling, they are 2 years from the major anyway. Oh sure we can rush Rodon after he was hard used all spring, and considering we have limited years available to use him anyway (with Boras as his agent, the odds of getting one of those compromise extensions are near zilch). Then next year we can have Sale, Q, Rodon, Danks and Rienzo (who's okay for a 5) and say we're ready to go!. Get one injury and we're back in a mess. Build this right.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 06:51 PM) Why not trade for him? Even with his sub-par performance this year, he is still better than at least one of our starting outfielders. Yes, let's use assets to acquire declining veterans. NO

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 08:18 AM) You don't sell off pieces for the future for an upgrade for solely 2014. You make moves similar to the trades for Garcia, Contreras, and Peavy in the past with some possibility of helping this year but with an eye towards next season. I would say absolutely not, except for perhaps something like the trade for Contreras. This org is not a year away from winning with this rotation and a AAA rotation that includes Axe and Veal.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 05:16 PM) Also, I believe in every one of those trades where you claimed "we got 1 pitching prospect back", we actually got multiple pieces back. Just wanted to point that out. Santos was for 1. Anyway except for the guy we sent to the Twins who may be progressing (have no idea), none of the pitching prospects did a thing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:10 PM) Who was flipped with Eduardo Escobar for Francisco Liriano, one of the ten best pitchers in the NL last season. How nice. Liriano was good with the Pirates. He sported a 5.4 ERA for us. But I did forget about that pitcher, who yielded us zip. Was thinking about Castro, who's yielded less than zip.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) Well this is why I always liked Kenny...the prospects route, while admittedly what was needed at the point in which Hahn took over, can be very frustrating. If good teams were offering up can't miss prospects, it would be a lot simpler to rebuild...problem is, they rarely do. Hahn is going to miss on some guys, but he's also going to hit on some guys that we didn't expect would pan out. It's an exercise in patience and withholding judgement until you can see his plan take shape a bit more. Kenny went the prospect route: traded TCQ for a single pitching prospect who was awful; traded Santos for a single pitching prospect who was awful; the prospect for EJ was a single pitching prospect who was awful. Note that all 3 single pitching prospects were "near ML ready" but actually had hit a peak and had already started to decline. Hahn has a lot of work to do over the next 6 weeks. No more flawed declining AAA prospects. Take the As and AAs with promise and develop them.