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I like the top 5 of Getz Abreu Quentin Konerko Thome And a rotation of Buehrle Danks Floyd Richard/Bailey/Marquez/Poreda We may even be able to sign a bargain pitcher or trade some of the pitching prospects for someone more legit.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 03:16 AM) Good thinking... Maybe even a John Danks extension? I don't see any of the young pitchers getting extensions until they are at least arbitration eligible. Most youngsters that get long term contracts early are position players, they are a lower injury risk.

Dodgers are in the market for a reliever. Would anyone do Jenks for Kemp straight up?

I'm sure nothing would happen until after Sheets, Sabathia and possibly even Frucal sign somewhere, especially Sheets and Sabathia. Until they sign the Brewers don't really know where their rotation stands. If the Sox are in the running for Frucal, then they'll have to wait that out.

QUOTE (striker62704 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) Jenks to the Cardinals for Rasmus. Of course I could also see the Cardinals holding onto Rasmus and letting Ankiel walk after 2009 opening a spot for Rasmus. They still have a bullpen need though.

Jenks to the Cardinals for Rasmus.

I still think Dye, Konerko or Thome could be dealt. Remember the 2005 team that won it all? We won with Everett as our DH and I think Konerko was the only 100+ RBI guy. Pitching and timely hitting is all it takes.

I would take him and bat him 8th or 9th. I don't think his OBP is good enough for leadoff but I could see him starting rallies at the bottom of the order.

I'm a big Javy supporter too. The guy can be lights out and on a consistent basis. He always seems to have that 2 run or 3 run inning that kills him. I do like the idea of trading some of our older players. We have to restock at some point and CLE, MIN, KC have younger teams than us.

I am all for a Dye/Bailey trade as long as we get another prospect. I think some people over value prospects. Even if Bailey does turn out to be good what would be considered good? 12-15 wins? You have to look at what is expected of a player and what are the odds you will get what is expected. I would expect 30hrs and 100rbi from Dye and you could say there is a 90% chance you get that. I would expect 12-15 wins from Bailey but the odds of getting that next year are probably 10%, 2010 25%, 2011 60%. You get my drift? Sure Bailey has talent but that doesn't mean he'll pan out. Fans also need to look at their team in 2009, 2010, and 2011. The Reds appear to have alot of pitching prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2007/12/7/16485/6608), which means they don't necessarily have to wait for Bailey to pan out. But they do have an immediate need for an OF run producer. I guess I just sick of fans on some sites crying about trading away the future when their teams sucks now.

I like Javy but I like hot stove even more so I'd love to see him traded for that reason If I recall correctly, Javy had a couple games in either August or September where he took a no-no into the 5th. The guy can really be lights out but he always has that bad inning where he gives up 3-4 runs.

I'm all for a youth movement. Youth was a huge reason we made it to the playoffs this year anyways (Quentin, Ramirez, Danks, Floyd). I'd hate to see Jenks and Dye leave but it would make things real interesting. I know there aren't alot of BA fans or Jerry Owens fans but I think those guys deserve a shot at some point. The Twins outplay us every year with 1/2 the talent our team has. It's time to see what they are made of. We can always plug holes later in the season.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:53 PM) If I understand correctly, this is real life and not MLB 2k7. Sorry for the asshole comment, but for something like you suggested were to happen, this would be MLB 2k7. Don't pay attention to the players I mentioned other than the fact that we would get promising prospects and free up money to bring in possible free agents. The point I was trying to make is if you can turn 3 good players into 5 or 6 good players then you should do it. I think it would be worth it for the Mets too.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:39 PM) That's not just highway robbery; that is Kenny Williams driving into the worst neighborhood in town, finding a thug on the side of the road, stopping, getting out, offering the keys, presenting him with the title to the car, then sucking off the guy in the back seat and waving good-bye to him as he pulls off. How do you figure? Sox free up $30mil from the books. They sign, say, Frucal and Lowe. So you are looking at Dye, Jenks, Vazquez for Frucal, Lowe, Pelfrey, Heilman and Murphy. Not bad if you ask me.

I wonder if we will see a long term contract for Quentin come out of any major free up of money. Makes sense.

How about... TB Gets: Jenks Dye Sox Get: Davis Crawford Another prospect Sox trade Vazquez. That frees up about $20mil in 2009 salaries. Rotation: Buehrle Danks Floyd Free Agent: Lowe? Davis/Richard/Marquez Lineup: LF Crawford SS Ramirez RF Quentin DH Thome 1B Konerko CA Pierzynski 3B Fields 2B Getz/Nix CF Owens

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 11:35 PM) OK, this is a basic, down and dirty quick stat, but an OPS+ of 100 is an average hitter, league and ball park adjusted, with ever number above or below 100 basicaly meaning the player is a percentage point better than average. http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/swishni01.shtml 05-07 Swisher's OPS + was 111.25, including his 92 from 08, meaning he was 11.25% better than an average player http://www.baseball-reference.com/u/uribeju01.shtml over the same years Uribe's OPS was 77, 23% below average. You can make the argument that Swisher was a 34% better player over those years, and that's including 08. I'm only trying to say that Swisher wasn't as awesome as some people make him out to be. Some people say the Sox got fleeced and I don't thinnk they did. You mentioned that Swisher's OPS was 11% better than average, which is kind of what I was saying, he's average. You just presented it better.

I'll probably get killed for saying this but if you look at 2005-2007 and compare Uribe and Swisher offensively, Swisher isn't that good. 2005-2007 hr/rbi/avg/obp Uribe 19/70/.240/.281 Swisher 26/82/.251/.358 I'm not saying Uribe is as good as Swisher, I'm just saying if you compare Swisher to Uribe you'll see he's isn't going to be missed.

I got tired of Swisher's backwards Ks. I'm sure there are more dominos to fall that will make sense out of this. In Kenny We Trust

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 05:17 AM) Ok, I found one more. Toni Ginnetti in the Dec. 14th, 2005 Chicago Sun Times wrote: "Sox rumored to be interested in Arizona Diamondbacks right-hander Javier Vazquez", you have to pay for the full article so this will have to do. Javy was traded a few days later. I guess what would have made more sense for me to say is that of all the deals that are rumored very few ever happen. I don't think any of the recent trades have leaked. Danks, Gavin, Quentin, Cabrera and Swisher all came out of no where.

My theory about the Jenks rumor, it's smoke and mirrors by both KW and Minaya. Minaya is trying to bring down the price the free agents are asking. KW is trying to get Jenks to sign a long term deal. KW did the same thing when Garland, Garcia, Buehrle, Contreras, Vazquez were all nearing free agency. He shopped them and got them to extend, even at a discount. Jenks could bring some talent back in return but he has been so solid it's hard to see KW trade him. Plus, like I've said many times on this board, the deals that are rumored with KW never happen. He's all about suprises.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 12:00 AM) Serious? Let's also go after Thomas,Bonds,Maddux,P.martinez,R.Johnson and Ivan Rodriguez! LOL. I wasn't serious about Griffey.

The Twins traded the best pitcher in baseball for players that didn't even impact their team and they were 1 game from making the playoffs. Anything is possible. Besides, dumping Dye and Jenks could free up money for some big move. Griffey???

Unless KW gets blown over by an offer, we will probably see Nix or Getz at 2B. I would love to get Grudzielanek but the money it would cost us could be spent elsewhere. I'm also a true believer that your minor league system should be able to produce at least 1 pitcher and 1 position player every year or they aren't doing their job. I just love the fact that KW is always active in the offseason. Keeps us on our feet and busy at work

Kenny has never been a free agent type of GM. All of his moves are via the trade. So I don't see Frucal happening. Free Agent Signings: Dotel Linebrink Ramirez Dye Pierzynski Hall Trades: Thome Quentin Swisher Cabrera Thornton MacDougal Freddy Garcia Vazquez Danks Floyd Contreras Griffey