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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 12:04 PM) But that certainly means his "Floor" is not Alexei, because he's not as good as Alexei right nwo. I expect him to improve defensively. When I watch him play, I don't see a lack of tools in the field. He's got, what, just over a year of service time in the bigs? The things people say about Castro is what we were all saying about Ramirez just two years ago. And he was much older.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 11:38 AM) 2.7 WAR for Castro, 4.3 WAR each of the last 2 years for Alexei. And that's all defense. Offensively Castro is as good or better. And I already said Castro has a ways to go defensively.

A rebuild to me is not the equivalent of the boogeyman to a 5-year old. 2006: second half collapse 2007: 90 losses 2008: Thank you Rick Hahn's son 2009: sub-.500 record 2010: mediocre play all around with a great 30-game run sandwiched in between 2011: no explanation needed Payroll: 2006: $102,750,667 2007: $108,671,833 2008: $121,189,332 2009: $ 96,068,500 2010: $103,080,000 2011: $127,789,000 That's a lot of coin for one division title and a playoff win. Suffice it to say the "White Sox" way has proven to be as efficient as a no mouth dog at a frisbee contest (I got that from Fresh Prince). "We don't know what were asking for?" I counter that by saying those who come up with 53782346043634641 reasons on why rebuilding, even a semi-rebuild, is a potential horror movie in the making don't know what they're asking for. Times are a changing. And we're standing still why other teams are flying right by. Teams are devoting more and more on scouting/drafting than ever before. Overpaying for free agents (save the elite ones) has proven to be every bit as risky as going with kids. The Mets, Cubs and our Sox have more then proven that. There is no bulletproof formula. But ours sure as hell doesn't work.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 08:57 AM) I find it funny that you sarcastically refer to yourself as a moron, then follow that up with about 14 grammatical errors. Damn. That looks like one of my drunk posts.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 07:05 AM) And an apparent difference of opinion between Williams and Walker, whose future past 2011 is in question, according to two team sources. "They are two grown men talking," Guillen said. "I don't have any details. Walk tried to tell me, and I said that wasn't any of my business." Said Walker: "I learned a long time ago the rule of baseball is what goes on in the clubhouse, stays in the clubhouse. That's where I'm going to leave it." Two weeks after Williams said it wasn't too early to suggest that struggling Gordon Beckham's career was at a crossroads, Walker said Saturday: "The only thing I'll say about Gordon is that he's still a kid in this game. He's just a kid. He's learning how to play here and working as hard as any player I've ever coached." Guillen, meanwhile, scoffed at suggestions that his hope for a new contract posed a distraction. "If people think we're horse(bleep) because I made that comment, (bleep) them too," Guillen said. "I respect my players more than anything." Ozzie's starting to remind me of Emperor Commodus in Gladiator. "The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end, Ozzie." What, 27 days to go? It's almost over. I can feel it. This is going to be the most interesting/entertaining offseason in years, even more so than the one following 05. Heads are gonna roll. If not, I'm cheering for another baseball team in '12.

QUOTE (SouthsideNorthsideFan @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 06:49 AM) More like the organization. When an organization banks on a player of course they're going to be talked about. Personally, I don't know anyone who really believed either was worth a hamburgers. I do remember some fluff here about how Patterson would blossom after leaving the Cubs' spotlight... I do agree, however, that Castro will never fulfill expectations. I could see him maxing out at, say, Alexei Ramírez? Castro has a higher OPS this season (.762) than Ramirez's (.725). One is 21. The other is 30. Yes, Castro's defense leaves a lot to be desired and is a work in progress. But I'd say his floor is Alexei. Not his max. And if you're this down on Castro, what are your expectations for Beckham?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:58 PM) Let's remember what it took for Detroit to "Rebuild". A couple of the worst MLB seasons in history. Got them a great starting pitcher out of it. Signing some of the worst contracts in MLB in order to build "Credibility". A W.S. appearance followed by an epic collapse A couple more years of struggling/epic collapses Finally being the best of a bad division this year. The highest salary in the division for what, 4 straight years, and presumably 1 Central division title? This really can't have been a pleasant expereince for anyone who is a legit tiger fan. Or you could look at the Atlanta Braves. 14 straight years of division dominance (yes, the first few years of that were due to some really bad teams in the late 80's. After that, it was all the front office, scouting, player development and shrewd trades). A few down years from '07 to '09. And now they're right back at being a perennial contender due to the same scouting and player development.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) I was thinking that this season. Last year they wound up winning a lot of games, but they were pretty pitiful most of the season. That 25-5 stretch was great, but their 88 wins at the end felt like a lot less. This year's .500 record feels like 2007. Maybe my expectations are just too high. The organization has been spinning its wheels too long. I figuratively screamed all offseason that those 88 wins were fools gold. "Hey, with the way we started last year and the struggles of so many key guys, and the fact Mark Kotsay was our primary DH, we still won 88 games." That became like a mantra around here. You know KW probably echoed those same thoughts. And that is where "ALL-IN" began. What a f***in' Tsunami this franchise is.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:16 PM) Aw come on now....you mean you don't want to watch three White Sox games in 27 hours starting tomorrow night? I mean, who would pass up seeing Zach Stewart and Philip Humber pitch on the same day? Two at best #5 starters on the same day? No thanks. This is where the Extra Innings package comes in so handy.

I will no longer watch games in which Mark Buehrle doesn't pitch. This could be Mark's last month. So I will cherish his starts. Besides that, I will only track Viciedo, De Aza and Flowers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:01 PM) Thanks for the gloating. It makes it much better to hear that you were right. I'm not gloating. I've actually commended those guys. They could take any 2 or 3 game winning streak, no matter how s***ty the opponent was, and find hope. But enough is enough. Just give it up.

That was the proverbial cherry on the sundae. A failure of epic proportions that rivals or exceeds any single-season failure in White Sox history. To the greg hibbards, heads, the greg/elrockin hybrid, etc, please stop. It's done now. I'm all for a 20+ game losing streak to at least salvage a decent draft pick.

Dear Greg Hibbard, Please god no more 'it can still happen' threads.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) Edwin Jackson 4-2 for St. Louis...Nicely done Kenny. Please don't. Trading for him was a colossal failure. Trading him away was not.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 04:46 PM) Well...I'm ready for Hahn to take over. Hire Dave Martinez as manager and promote Chambliss to hitting coach. I swear...I've never been a DBag fan...but i am green with envy of the culture that staff of Gibson, Don Baylor and Trammel has instilled in that team. Gibson is the kind of manager that I always envisioned my pipe dream for Sox manager (Carlton Fisk) would be. It's just time for change... That team is going to be flippin' good for a while. I'm known as the ultimate prospect overrater. But Skaggs and Bauer are the truth. And they've already got Kennedy and Hudson primed to start games 1 and 2 against Philly.

Not that I really care, but this game has gotten interesting real quick.

QUOTE (ottawa_sox @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 05:30 PM) You're welcome. Just for the hell of it, I looked up the box score (the game was on August 10, 1990, not August 11) to see if the next hitter avoided getting drilled. He did. It was Lance Johnson ........ no doubt with happy feet. He grounded out 3rd to 1st. I was only 7. But I still have vivid memories of that 1990 team. Arguably the most exciting team in Sox History.

QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 05:26 PM) Do you think porcello is ever going to figure it out? Mediocre peripherals for the most part. But it's hard to believe he's only 22. There's still a fair chance he could live up to his perceived potential. Worst-case you have a solid #4. Scherzer is the one they need to get back to last season's level.

QUOTE (Slats Grobnik @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 05:24 PM) Yes. It seems like Ozzie is doing alot of stupid things. I saw a connection. A thousand pardons. I didn't know if posting this would be a good idea, but thought I would give it a try. I won't do it again. lol. Calm down. I just wondered if you realized it. You did nothing wrong.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) We've had pretty solid D up the middle this season The D has been solid all-around the diamond. It's catcher and the OF that's been the problem.

QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) Detroit really has no chance in the playoffs. Its hard to believe they've won as many games as they have with that rotation. Which makes this season even more maddening. You could almost accept another pimp-smack from the Twins. But they've (the Twins) been dead man walking for pretty much the entire season and they're still going to be clearing out their lockers come October 1st.

Yowzers! Stepped away for about 45 minutes and chaos ensues.

QUOTE (Slats Grobnik @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 04:55 PM) I'll give Ozzie credit for this - he's no quitter. Maybe he wants to get out of here before KW's kids make it to the bigs. http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5163638 Updated: May 4, 2010, 10:57 PM ETGuillen manages 1,000 gameEmailPrintCommentsESPNChicago.com CHICAGO -- Just before he managed his 1,000th game with the Chicago White Sox, Ozzie Guillen said on Tuesday he will have to be fired when the day comes for him to move on because he will never quit. ESPNChicago.com White Sox blog The latest news and notes on the White Sox. Blog "Fired," Guillen said when asked if he thought he would quit or be fired someday. "Because I'm not going to quit. I'm not a quitter. When I want to quit I'll make sure I do a lot of stupid things to make them fire me and get paid. "I think getting fired is better because when you quit a lot of teams out there will call you a quitter. It shows you can't handle yourself or handle the heat." Guillen is 523-477 in seven seasons as the White Sox manager and has led the team to the playoffs twice, including a World Series victory in 2005. He is the fourth manager in franchise history to manage 1,000-plus games. Guillen, whose White Sox lost 7-2 to the Kansas City Royals on Tuesday, believes the key to his longevity is his 13-year playing career with the White Sox, and his familiarity with the city. "I grew up here," Guillen said. "When I was hired, 95 percent of the people probably thought I'd get fired after a year or two. I think it helps that I grew up in Chicago [during his playing career]. Looking at [Chicago Cubs manager] Lou [Piniella] and Dusty [baker], those guys didn't grow up here. I had an advantage, I know everybody. I know all the people. "Some people love you, some people don't. I don't really care. Every day I tell the fans what they want to hear. The information is out there. I think that's refreshing for the fans. There's no hiding anything." ESPNChicago.com baseball reporter Bruce Levine contributed to this report. You do realize this article is dated May 4, 2010, right?

QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) Its taking forever. One hour for two innings in a 1-1 game. Ahhhh. I gotcha.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) Why are they getting tagged in the first inning then settling down? They aren't ready to pitch. If the Sox never scored their first time through the line up, you would blame Walker. He's always been the problem according to some. Who are you going to blame next year? But that's not really a concern of yours. I'm sure we're not the only team in the league that's had a stretch of games in with their SPs allowed runs in the first inning. You're trying to bring Cooper down a notch or two to justify your undying support of Greg Walker. By your logic, Greg Walker, or any hitting coach in baseball, should have to quit first before being fired. That's just not feasible.