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I don't see this as a bad deal at all. Years or money wise.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 29, 2010 -> 08:50 AM) As was the players only meeting where he no doubt ripped Spoelstra. ESPN has dubbed it: The Meeting

Phil Rogers felt the need to let the world know that the Red Sox are still very interested in Justin Upton and, um, well, that's it. I'm not even going to bother posting the link. Also, what do you do when you have dreams of getting sprayed by a skunk while running?

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 28, 2010 -> 12:38 AM) How can you not like the extension? Well if he maintains his current production (15 PPG scorer to go along with the boards) then I take it back. But I still view him as a liability overall offensively. I get the intensity, fire, ect. But that's not worth 12-14 million dollars, IMO.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 28, 2010 -> 03:58 AM) But even their monetary value is off. Its silly to say Jose Contreras' 10-17 5.52 ERA season is a 10.6 million performance fangraphs gave it in 2007, and his 2009 6-13 with a 4.92 ERA an 11 million dollar performance. This has been one supremely boring offseason so far. Hopefully s*** picks up in December.

QUOTE (hitlesswonder @ Nov 28, 2010 -> 12:03 AM) It's the CQ for Ibanez trade that's the most mind-boggling. Ibanez will be 38, gets $12M, can't play the field, and had an .800 OPS last season. I repeat: CQ+ $12M for an .800 OPS DH. The Sox netting Jesus Montero baffled me the most. Phil needs to chill out or something. He's gone looney tunes.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 27, 2010 -> 11:04 PM) Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose are monsters. Still don't like the Noah extension. But he has definitely become a pleasure to watch. And Rose? Wow. PG play all around the league is just amazing right now. Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Rondo, Rose. The NBA definitely is getting what they wanted when they blatantly altered the rules to cater to guards/wings.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 27, 2010 -> 10:18 PM) Heat lose yet again... 9-8 now With both Haslem/Miller down, that is one BRUTAL roster outside of the "Big" 3. Other than maybe Eddie House, there isn't one player on that team I'd want anywhere near the Bulls. I won't pretend that I didn't have the Heat pegged for 65-70 wins (glad I was wrong), but anybody knew that any kinda legitimate injuries and they were going to be in deep s*** with their paper thin depth.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 01:05 PM) Ya, I'm not really sure when it became popular to rag on Aaron's defense but he was a very good cf when he was here. Good as in excellent. I don't care whether he was graceful or not. He was a + defender in a White Sox uniform. He passed both the eye and metric tests.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 24, 2010 -> 07:46 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/dbac...-zach-duke.html Nevermind. Good. We've got 10 zach dukes in the minors already.

See ya.

QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Nov 24, 2010 -> 05:46 PM) With holes at C, 1B, 3B and RF, you have to try some cheap stuff in the bullpen. Pretty pathetic that we can't develop one f***ing bullpen arm from within. We have to continually trade for or sign failures in hopes that sir coop can fix 'em. Yay.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Nov 24, 2010 -> 05:22 PM) OK, that was my assumption then - if they bring in a bat like Dunn, it means that Konerko will be gone since their payroll has little flexibility. My question would be, how does this team improve if the only thing they can do is swap Konerko for Dunn, lose Jenks, and maybe resign Putz and AJ? Kenny usually has something up his sleeve, not sure if that's trying to move Floyd, but, even in a deal for Floyd, it doesn't seem likely that they would be able to take on a big salary. With the payroll the way that it is, it feels like the White Sox are in quicksand, stuck in that 78-87 or so wins, depending on how things break. I wouldn't be all that surprised if we went into '11 without any legitimate upgrades. Outside of trading a Danks or Floyd, there's really no flexibility to do anything.

A small part of my soul, assuming I have one, dies whenever I hear the phrase " maybe coop can fix 'em?" This guy is a scrub and won't have any impact whatsoever for the Sox.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 24, 2010 -> 10:33 AM) The thing with those teams are that they were built from the ground up. Mauer was a #1 pick, the Twins have competed by growing their own talent on the farm, having excellent minor league scouting (Nathan, Liriano, Santana) and then sprinkling in other pieces like Pavano, Capps, and Young. The Rays pretty much grew their entire roster from the farm system, while they changed over most of their rotation, they did so with pieces from their own system Price, Shields, Davis, Hellickson, etc. Carlos Pena was brought in on the cheap as a reclamation project, as was most of their bullpen, but the key cogs all came from the organization. The Red Sox produced Varitek, Ellsbury, Papelbon, Lester, Youk, Pedroia, used Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez to get Beckett, used other pieces to acquire VMart and added in Papi. The key to being able to have the turnover that these organizations have had is the ability to replace the pieces you lose internally or having the pieces to go get someone to fill a gap. The Sox dont have the depth in the farm to do the same thing, that is why if you are not contend now, you build that depth and use the money saved from handing out contracts to sign amateur talent. Then when that depth starts to mature to the major league level you fill in any gaps through free agency or via trade. +1

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 24, 2010 -> 09:47 AM) Wow, I just read 8 pages of an absolute garbage pissing match. There was no actual information outside of the first post. Some people came off as real jagoffs, too. Good god almighty. I read through the last half of this thread and I wanted to cut myself. This thread blows.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 01:59 PM) De Aza was the opening day starter for the Marlins a couple years ago. Whoopi Goldberg once had sex. That doesn't mean I'm gonna touch her.

Date: 11/22/10 Time: 1:55 PM And there are actual living humans advocating Alejandro De Aza start for a major league team. I'm starting to think 2012 will indeed be the end.

1. Chris Sale, lhp 2. Brent Morel, 3b/ss 3. Dayan Viciedo, 1b/3b 4. Jared Mitchell, of 5. Eduardo Escobar, ss 6. Gregori Infante, rhp 7. Jacob Petricka, rhp 8. Brandon Short, of 9. Trayce Thompson, of 10. Anthony Carter, rhp http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...11/2610957.html Nothing much we don't already know. Farm sucks. Trade prospects like they're set to expire. Don't spend on the draft. Yeah, 'bout covers it.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 01:07 PM) Missed a unanimous selection by one vote. That was me. I voted for Carlos Gonzalez.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 08:19 PM) Sabathia, Lester, Price, Liriano, Lee (who appears is going to stay in the AL no matter what), Felix, Weaver, and Verlander. I'm assuming those are the 8 you got. If you consider the NL though too, I'm seeing Johnson, Wainwright, Lincecum, Halladay, Jimenez, Oswalt, Kershaw, Carpenter, Kuroda, and then Santana (due to health), Cain, Hanson, and Hamels are all arguably better than Danks too. I think it's fair to say that Danks isn't elite but instead just a step below. To be fair, he said AL. But even then it's questionable. Adding the elite NL starters and it's not even close.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 08:01 PM) Name 10 better than Danks. After eight, I can't make legitimate claims for any being better than him. Sabathia, Price, Felix, Haren, Weaver, Verlander, Lee, Lester, Greinke, Liriano. Then you've got 2nd-tier guys like Brett Anderson, Garza, Gio Gonzalez, Romero, Scherzer, Ervin Santana that are at least comparable, and even our very own healthy Jake Peavy and Gavin Floyd. Don't get me wrong. I like Danks. But I'm not going to overvalue him. Either sign an extension or see ya.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 05:54 PM) And you can also bet that teams will line up with guys that will be worth more than two first round draft picks to get two years of Danks (at least). I agree. Danks is a unique case under the KW regime. We've never really had a player that I can remember that was as young, good, with potential upside as Danks just a couple years from FA. KW cannot f*** this up. Either get an extension done or pull in a nice haul. I'm sure that's easier said than done. But that's why he's the GM.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 05:44 PM) Over 225 innings... 1.9 BB/9 = 47-48 walks 3.1 BB/9 = 77-78 walks You are talking about the difference of 30 base runners. If we assume that about 25% of baserunners score, that's 7-8 more runs per year that Danks will allow, and that's not including the increased chances opponents then have of hitting the ball out of the park. Beyond all of that, that includes Halladay's first 3 years in the majors where he was pretty terrible. Over the past 10 years, Halladay has walked 1.6 BB/9; past 6, it's 1.4; past 3 it's 1.3. 1.3 BB/9 over 225 innings is equal to 32-33 additional baserunners. They aren't similar at all. That's like saying the difference between a guy who hit .300 and one who hit .275 is only 15 hits, which is only 3 more hits a month, which is one more hit every 10 games. It's still a pretty big deal. Did you stop drinking? You're a lot smarter of late. Not that you were dumb before, well kinda. But I say that with love.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 05:25 PM) 1.9-3.1, Danks walks about 1 more batter per start. 1.9 and 3.1 is a big difference.