Jordan4life_2007

Good move. Tracey couldn't be as bad as Cliff if he tried. Let's just hope Sean can take advantage of a tremendous opportunity now. Oh, and thanks for '05, Cliff.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 03:58 PM) I'm not gonna get in a personal argument over the fact that our starters are horses***. Who's arguing? You seem to think that there's no chance that our starters are gonna come around. So why not take yourself out of your misery and stop watching?

I hope this puts to rest any illusion of Hermanson helping the Sox this year.

QUOTE(beautox @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 03:34 PM) I think flash was right, we should openly have a centralized thread to discuss the losses. We sucked. The end.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 02:03 PM) Well, the All-Star Break has come and gone. Aren't our garbage starters supposed to "turn it on" now? Or "get into a groove" or something? Hasn't Coop fixed them yet? Don't worry. It's only a matter of time before they get their s*** together. There's nothing to worry about here. Move along, and put your head back in that sand. Then why don't you just call it a season and move on?

QUOTE(shoota @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) I missed most of the game. What are the reasons why the Sox are losing big? We've stunk up the joint in all aspects.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) Well, we definately need new pitchers. Hopefully KW knows what to do. Yeah, maybe KW can swing multiple deals for four new starters and three new relievers. That shouldn't be too hard.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 03:14 PM) Our pitchers have been struggling for.. 2 months now, and have shown no signs of life. Mark has sucked for 3 starts. Jose has been alright. Garland has been very good in his last 5 starts. Freddy and Javy are struggling. It hasn't been for two months, though.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 03:14 PM) The Cubs are out of the race. Maybe they can just give us Zambrano? On a serious note, though, why wouldn't the Cubs just have a giant fire sale. Maddsux, Arm-Ram, Zambrano, Prior, Walker, DLee, Howry, Jones, etc. They have some really good players and they can get a lot in return. It's not like their fans can't get drunk while watching a young team. Maddux is 2-12 with an era at around 6 since may. Prior has little to no trade value due to injuries. Zambrano isn't going anywhere. Lee isn't going anywhere. You're right about the others. I could even see Jones ending up with the Tigers.

I can't believe some of you guys. Why don't you just stop watching the team now, or go jump on another team's bandwagon. Does anybody remember what we went through last September? This is horses*** compared to that. We're struggling right now. It happens.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 02:45 AM) The only question now is how they're going to be able to handle adversity when some really hits. The Sox did a dynamite job of it last year, and pulled out of it before it was too late. The Tigers aren't going to win 115 this year, their pitching isn't going to be the best in recorded history, so some things are going to go wrong at some point. I hope you're right.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 09:41 PM) There comes a point where you realize a team has "it". It was obvious early on last season that the White Sox had "it". I'm ready to proclaim that the Tigers have "it" this season. Well said. The Tigers just find a way to get it done. I'm very impressed by them.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) Give me a few names. I didn't memorize the names. It wasn't that imporant to me. I just know you have. You know you have as well.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:23 PM) Ask Fransisco Liriano how he handled that. Liriano made his first start on May 19th. So that's not excactly mid-season. And, unlike Liriano, McCarthy has been average at best out of the bullpen. So we're just gonna assume B-mac does what he did at the end of last year if we just throw him into the rotation? That's pretty unrealistic. I realize his long-term future is as a starter. I just don't think he should be one in '06.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:22 PM) The same way you KNOW that Sanchez would suck in the AL I guess. Try again Kalpse. I've seen you say the same thing about 15 other NL pitchers this year alone.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) milledge may not help much this year. he's s***LOADS better than BA right NOW and has the potential to be a perennial all-star You know this how?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) That doesn't change the fact that the stat is worthless. Who exactly is proposing a trade that would net the Sox "mediocre" talent in exchange for Garcia? The guy has a good amount of value right now, if the Sox move him, they'll be getting back good quality players not mediocre middle relievers. Aaron Heilman? Sanchez? He would get rocked in the AL. Milledge? Nice prospect. Doesn't do jack for us this year and maybe next.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:04 PM) 6IP, 3ER, 5R, 4BB, 1SO, 11H | GAME ERA: 4.50 WHIP: 2.50 This is a quality start. I counted 11 quality starts by Freddy this year. And in only one of those did he give up more than 8 hits and 4 walks. I realize the guy has been VERY inconsistant this year. I'm still not ready to give him up for mediocre relievers and prospects. I hope Kenny isn't, either. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) Quality starts stats are the most BS stats there are. They usually mean you gave your team a good chance to win the game. I'd like all my starters to throw complete game shut-outs, too. But I live in the real world.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:04 PM) Funny, on another board I just saw a Mariners' fan propose this deal: Garcia for Reed, Soriano, and Everett. :puke Although I would kill for Soriano.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 03:52 PM) If I was to ask you to rank your starting pitchers, including McCarthy, by their likelihood to succeed in the second half and 2007, how would you rank them? Garcia's junk is 's***ted on' for good reason. Well, first off, the velocity on his fastball has been totally exaggerated around here. He is NOT topping out at 85 or 86. He's usually around 87-89 with the ability to get it up to 91/92 when he wants. And, as has been mentioned, he does have 10 or 11 quality starts this year. So it's not like he's been totally worthless out there. As far as McCarthy goes, I really don't know what to expect of him. How are you gonna tell a guy before the season starts that's he's gonna be in the 'pen, then mid-season throw him into the rotation when he's just now finally starting to adjust to his role? Now, I didn't say I would be against trading Garcia, but I don't want no stinking ass prospects back. If we trade him, it better be for some signifcant upgrades to this team for this season.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 03:49 PM) Brandon McCarthy wasn't pitching out of the bullpen because Danny Wright had a starting spot. That doesn't matter. Freddy is nowhere near as bad as this board is making him out to be.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 02:08 PM) I'm going to defend Garcia for a second. First off, for as much as we like to bash Garcia, he is 10-5 with a 4.91 ERA. I'm not saying that's great or anything, but I'm sure there are still GMs out there that see the ten wins and have their eyes bulge up. Second, even with his junkballing, mysteriously losing 3 MPH off his fastball ways, Garcia is a #2-3 on most NL teams. There are a couple of exceptions (like Houston and maybe Florida), but for most NL teams, he's in the top part of the rotation. Third -- if he did go to the Mets -- he'd be leaving one of the best hitters parks in the AL and going to the one of the best pitcher's parks in the NL. Everybody here, everybody in baseball, everybody in the world knows how big the talent disparity is between the AL and the NL this year; you could probably shave at least a run off of Garcia's ERA if he were pitching in the NL this year. That said, I can see Omar getting a little ancy and realizing that, if the playoffs started today, Steve Trachsel (blah) would be his game three starter. I'd make a Heilman + Milledge move... This is also a little different than the Zito situation because Garcia is locked up for next year (and if the Sox eat, say, $2 million of Garcia's contract next year -- $8 million for Garcia in the NL would be a steal). As for a couple of other things... Garland, obviously not going anywhere, he's got that no-trade clause. Plus, he's been our second best starter the past month. Ditto Vazquez, he's staying, like it or not. It's not a Garcia situation where he's clearly lost stuff; he still has good movement on all his pitches. His peripherals (K/9, K/BB, HR/9) are all good. I think he's in for a better second half. Kenny, Ozzie, and Coop aren't going to give up on him after three months after wanting the guy for the past three years (not to mention trading Chris Young for him). Now this was the kinda post I was looking for. Excellent post, Keith. Danny Wright didn't get s***ted on as much as Garcia has around here of late.

Man, these last few days have felt like 2 weeks. I'm lost without White Sox baseball. Let's get this second half started off right.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 11:40 PM) Ok starting pitchers, a lot of you acted like kids in the first half. It's crunch time now. We have the best damn starting rotation in baseball on paper. It's time to pitch like it. That goes for all 5 of you. Each and every one of you is capable of performing quite a bit better in the next 3 months. No more relying on the offense to carry you, get out and do your jobs, and the rest of baseball will be absolutely terrified to face this team. No doubt about it. It's time for the starters to step up and live up to the hype. They're the difference between this being a pretty good team and/or a team that could go down as one of the top 2 or 3 teams of the past 20 years. Imagine last year's pitching with this year's offense? Scary!

I knew Liriano was a fluke. So what's the Twins' record against the central now? Something like 10-24?