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QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 12:05 AM) I had read about the Pacers looking at him in a couple of articles. Here's one of them, where it's just mentioned as a blurb: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...4p-315971c.html This 'feud' was one I hadn't heard of until I heard it on ESPN and in some NY publication, so I'm guessing it's typical NY made up garbage. There was another article though, I'll look through my history, the source was more credible. Anyways, those are the guys I'd be willing to part with (along with draft picks or other dead weight, like Pike). I still don't think it's going to happen. I just don't think Pax is the kind of guy that likes the risk, but it would greatly improved the team. I think Ron would fit in well, as when he talked about wanting to be traded, he felt that the Pacers practices "weren't hard enough for him", and didn't like that Carlisle called a majority of the offensive plays. Too bad Nene isn't healthy. I'd do a deal Gordon for him in a second.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 11:22 PM) Just a bunch of old gascan lefties: Wilson Alvarez Joey Eischen Alan Embree Buddy Groom Chris Hammond Felix Heredia Terry Mulholland By the way, nice avatar. I wouldn't mind Heredia. I know he had a horrible year in 04. He was very good in 02 and 03, though. He's got some pretty good stuff. I think Coop could get him back on track.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 10:46 PM) http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/basebal...ack=1&cset=true Looks like no Tejada for the Cubs. Poor Cub fans. Looks like their trade proposal of Todd Walker, Corey Patterson and one of their overhyped prospects isn't gonna happpen.

He's not going anywhere.

ESPN news is reporting that Tejada denies ever asking for a trade.

The bottom ticker on espn news says Tejada denies asking for a trade.

Pods can kick back as many as he wants to. He's earned it.

QUOTE(BigHurtHallofFame201? @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 04:36 PM) Jenks does have three pitches which he throws with some consistency. He has the four seamer, power curve, and a knuckle curve. My only problem with Jenks is that he doesn't show the last two enough and (he or, more likely, AJ) fall in love with the heat although that seemed to change a bit in the playoffs. Also, I don't think there is too good of a chance that EL Duque is the fifth starter opening the season. I think that even with an average spring McCarthy'll get it; he is a guy with number one stuff. We all know that, but he needs to be given a shot to do the job, he does not need to win the job anymore. That said, Duque is not by any means expendable as he provides a good influence on Contreras, he has absolutely no fear on the mound, and can still gut it out even when he is barely hitting the low 80's. The concern for me for the '06 Sox is outfield defense. The loss of A-Row hurts in ways we won't know until those balls start hitting the outfield grass, warning track dirt, or outfield wall. Ozzie seems to hold Jerry Owens in high regard so perhaps he, or Chris Young, can step in because the '05 Sox won a great many games not due to the bat of Aaron Rowand, but due to the jumps, routes, glove, and all around hustle of Aaron Rowand. I forgot about Brian Anderson. I think it is going to be a three way scrum for CF with Anderson not holding an immediate edge even with his prior big league experience, whoever performs the best will get the job. Going back to the pitching though, I have no idea why you would go about creating an issue where our strength lies (starting and relief). I think Jenks showed himself to be of extremely solid stuff composure-wise, and to make arguments otherwise, I think, sounds alot like the Doubters we heard all throughout the end of last season: "This team has no playoff experience." "They have a closer who wasn't in the Big Leagues until July." I just see absolutely no reason to be worrying about the lack of a lefthander or the health of Hermie. The outfield defense is much more suspect at this point if we're speaking about concerns, as of course the point of the offseason is too quibble about matters like this. Outfield defense, problem #1. Relief Pitching, problem #2. But neither of these are problems worth worrying about, at least not until Spring Training hits. Good post. Let's just hope that Anderson's d is as good as advertised.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) We aren't going to win when the defense is off. The same can be said for the White Sox. We weren't going to win if our starting pitching sucked. Fact of the matter is we are built on defense and the ground game. If both are off we have no chance, regardless of whose at the helm. We don't have the talent to beat teams via the air and I'm not talking about Grossman. I'm talking about a lack of experience at WR (although I really like Berrian, but its just his 2nd week back) and I think Mushin is strong. We still lack any weapons at TE (Clark is a f***ing bum) and our WR's are idiots when it comes to helping out and coming back when our QB is pressured (aside from Mushin). This team isn't there offensively and isn't capable to play come from behind football. If our defense plays like it did today we won't win, and thats not Orton's fault. This team isn't capable of winning when the D plays poorly. I agree with most of this. But I look at it like this, as bad as the d was today, we only gave up 21 points. It's not like they dropped 40 on us. Any team with any SB aspirations should be able to score 21 points. Now our situation is different. We have a rookie qb he shouldn't be in there in the first place. And we've got Grossman, a first round pick, who was the no doubt about it starter for this team before he got hurt, just about healthy. I don't believe for a second that Grossman isn't an upgrade from Orton. If he's not, then somebody needs to get fired for wasting a first round pick on him. I'm a greedy mofo, I know I probably shouldn't be, especially since my dream of the Sox winning the World Series finally happened, but I want the Bears to win a SB. And in this year of a wide open NFC, it's possible to atleast get there. I want to see the guys out there who give us the best chance to get to the SB. And that's just not Orton. I know you probably disagree. Will just see what happens.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) If anyone wants to blame Orton for this loss, than its quite clear that they have absolutely zero football knowledge. This game was lost because our defense played like absolute s***. They must have blown 30 tackles today. At least two of those TD drives would not have happened if the Bears had tackled properly (there were quite a few 3rd down conversions where the Bears had the plays stopped at the LOS and missed and than they'd break out 10 yard plays or more to get 1st downs. It was absolutely pathetic. No one should point a finger at Orton this week and if they do they are obviously an idiot. Now you can go out and say Grossman is a better player than Orton but I think anyone that says that is nuts and is just assuming that our other option is better. Plus I don't think Grossman is as ready as all of you think he is. Regardless, this game showed a trend and thats since the 2nd half of the Bucs game our defense has looked suspect. I thought we were going to lose the game to the Packers and realistically we should have (they came up with a few big plays that changed that game, but the Pack out played us and were able to move the ball all over the field) and the Steelers did more of the same. The Bears were relying on arm tackles and were rarely the swarming defense they have been for the most part of the season. I hope this is an eye-opener for them and that they stop listen to the media and everyone drooling over there defense cause the media doesn't make tackles, the players do and they got to run through on the tackles. Well, you kinda made my argument for me. The Bears d was off today. I won't dispute that at all. But i've been saying for weeks that one off week by the Bears d would result in an automatic loss. We had no chance once we got behind. Orton wasn't horrible today, but he wasn't good either. We're gettin down to the nitty/gritty now. The Vikings are on a Cleveland Indians like run right now. If we want to win this division, we need more from our qb. We can't rely on the d to be dominate every week.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 03:47 PM) But the Sox aren't in position to deal Frederico (even though I have my doubts as to his long term durability, although I hope I'm wrong). Why? Freddy has started atleast 33 games in 6 of the last 7 seasons. Is it because he sweats so much?

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 08:43 AM) I just thought about something else. It's funny Artest complains that Carlisle's system is too regimined for him. However, he wants to go play for Larry Brown? I guess this is the thanks the Pacers get for sticking with him through all the BS last year. Exactly, Greasy. You would think after last year, Artest would be doing everything in his power to make it up to management, the coaches, his teammates, and the fans. I really believe the Pacers get to the finals last year with Artest. Now he pulls this "I wanna be traded" bulls***? Like T.O., this guy is a very talented MORON.

We won a championship with a team built on pitching and defense. To land a guy like Tejada, we would have to downgrade our pitching and defense. No thanks. He needs to stfu and honor his god damn contract.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 03:10 PM) You're still not getting it. It's not a singular player. If I was charting the game, I would say the Stillers ran for about 150 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 0 sacks. The bears got about 20 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 3 sacks. The point of attack was dominated on both sides of the ball by the Stillers. Orton has nothing to do with that. What you saw today was one football team imposing it's will on the other. Even when the bears were on their streak -- wait, I should say after Thomas Jones got injured -- they haven't been a power running team. They've been a finesse rushing team. AND even a finesse defensive team. They've relied on defensive speed more than anything. That was exploited today in the adverse conditions where the bears had to chop their steps to keep their footing. They couldn't fly to the ball. -- The Bears are a turf team right now. They got beat in the snow by a team that was better equiped to play in those conditions. There's not much your QB is going to do about that. See: Peyton in Foxboro I don't think anybody is putting this loss all on Orton. The Bears didn't play well today. Period. But you know what they say, if you're not part of the solution, you know the rest. Orton got the job by default. He didn't earn it. You drafted Grossman in the first round for a reason. If he's healthy, start him.

I'm not worried at all about the starters. Neither Buehrle or Garland have ever been on the DL. Freddy is a strong bet to make 30+ starts every year. Jose hasn't had any major health problems that I can think of. Duque is obviously the main guy you have to worry about, but with B-Mac in there, you're fine if Duque needs to take a break every now and then. The bullpen has a few concerns. The health of Hermanson is key. We obviously won't know more about him for probably a couple months. As s***ty as Marte was at times last year, he's still a valuable arm that needs to be replaced. I have complete and total faith that Kenny will find a suitable replacement. There's nothing to really worry about besides that. Cotts and Pollite are studs. I really believe Viz will have a much better year in 06. And we get a full year of Bobby Jenks.

Nice to see he's not that affected by the loss of Rowand. I was worried about how he and Joe would take it.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 03:08 PM) Dungy's kind of changed his tune. It sounds that they'll play for the most part, until they lose a game. No way does he sit Peyton Manning or Edgerrin James or Dwight Freeney for an entire game. The only exception might be holding a player out who’s nursing an injury. Yeah, i'm hoping with a legitimate oppurtunity of going undefeated that Dungy plays all the regulars as if they still have something to play for.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 03:01 PM) No dice. Indy betters their record to 13-0. The Colts beat the Jags 26-18, and are the AFC South Champs. Also, the Colts secured two goals of more importance. The Colts have locked up the #1 seed in the AFC, and they have attained home-field and the first round bye. Just a great day all around. This is bad news for one of my fantasy teams. They're probably gonna hold Manning back until the playoffs.

QUOTE(Pierzynski 12 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) Vikings now 1 game behind us for first place.You suck Orton!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, it's actually two games since we hold the tiebreaker over them for the time being. Looks like the last week of the season is gonna be HUGE.

And for the record, I don't hate Orton. I think he can one day become a solid NFL qb. He's just not ready for this now. He was forced into a role that he wasn't ready for. He probably did as good a job as he was capable. But there's a division to be won. It's Grossman time!

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Last three weeks: Pittsburgh rushing yards: 83 yrds/game Today: 179 and counting yards. Damn joo Kyle Orton. Joo need to stop the run! The defense is entitled to one off week.

You could see this coming from a mile away. As soon as the d had an off game, we were gonna be in deep trouble. This is kinda good in a way. I really think Grossman will start next week. The Vikings are right on our f***in ass now. We have very little margin for error now if we want to win the division.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 02:04 AM) There's a shopping center with a US Cellular store on Army Trail, it's in between Best Buy and Circuit City, close to Old Navy Thanks

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 02:17 AM) You wouldn't trade Deng for Artest? If I knew I would get a sane Artest for 82 games, i'd trade Deng for him in a second. Fortunately, that's never the case.

Bloomingdale? I'm assuming it's gonna be the Stratford Square Mall?