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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 17, 2010 -> 11:20 PM) Trust me. i love, A.J, and it'll be a sad day in White Sox land when he's no longer on this team. I love A.J. even more (shockingly) then i love Nix. I don't think Nix needs to have a huge part on this ballclub, i just think he should have Omar Vizquel's part on this ballclub. This might be the best statement I've read in a while. So simple and so, so accurate.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ May 18, 2010 -> 12:51 AM) --Astros territory? Dude, look at our f***ing pitching staff. Seriously, look at it. Just do that. It's sick. If there's any possible way to get to the playoffs we could run the f***ing table. Peavy-Buehrle-Floyd-Danks in a row with Big Balls Freddy Garcia in the bullpen as insurance? Have you seen the kind of dogs*** other teams run out there in the playoffs? Kenny needs to get off his ass and get a bat. Then we'll see what happens. IMO we need to try to win because that's the best cure, winning. Blowing up the ship and losing just makes it tougher to win. And as for the money part of it, I mentioned that in an earlier post in this thread, but the Sox were bulls***ting all the way. They had the money to fix the offense but they listened to Ozzie's moronic opinions and opted against it, and now they're going to cry poor? f*** them. First of all, good post and good discussion. On paper, I agree with you about out pitching staff. It should be one of the best, if not the best, in baseball. Unfortunately it hasn't played out that way...yet. Garcia has been a very pleasing surprise, but Buehrle and Floyd have been surprising for other not so good reasons. But you're right about one thing for sure, the offense has been atrocious. Even when the pitchers have given up 4 or 5 runs, the offense had plenty of chances to come back and win the game. With a lineup consisting of Vizquel, Kotsay, and the slumping Teahen, AJ, and Alexei, however, it's not hard to see why we're not winning games. The acquisition of a bat and the DFAing of Vizquel and Kotsay could vastly improve this team. I still think that if KW made a move to improve the team, it could bolster the rest of the team and players like AJ, Teahen, Alexei, and Quentin might come around. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the players are feeling like us fans are and wondering what the hell is going on. Hell, even Vizquel was wondering what the hell Ozzie was doing by playing him as DH! Long story short (too late, I know), I think getting a big bat would help immensely, but I don't see it happening. There will be changes, and Beckham may go down to AAA for a stint or AJ might be traded or Kotsay might be DFA'd, but I'd bet the cash in my pocket that KW will not make any significant move to improve this team for 2010...and I wouldn't blame him.

Not a lot of luck with game threads. Anyhoo, has there been any word on a make-up date?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 17, 2010 -> 03:33 PM) He is always a threat to weakly ground out to 2nd. Well, he might chop it so that it'll bounce twice. Let's be fair here.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 17, 2010 -> 03:09 PM) That's going to get people excited, be careful. If he gets hurt, Ozzie will just DH him.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ May 17, 2010 -> 02:37 PM) Actually, in 2011, Peavy and Rios will combine for $28M. Gonzalez has an option for 2011, so lets assume we sign him to a deal, by 2012, we are looking at $29M from Peavy and Rios, with another $17-$20M from Gonzalez, so you could be talking $45-50M, or literally HALF of our payroll in 3 players. Yikes! I was way off. That's even scarier.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ May 17, 2010 -> 02:26 PM) Yeah, I guess Konerko and Jenks are about $20 right there, but I am still not sure I want sooo much money tied up into Peavy and Gonzalez. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, and I'm too dumpy and lazy to look them up, but Peavy and Rios make up about $20 million for 2012? And I imagine Gonzalez would command upwards of $15-$20 million. So, yeah I agree. It would be nice, but having $40 million of a $95-$100 million payroll tied in three guys is iffy.

I'll give a game thread a shot...maybe it will result in a win. 12:05 PM first pitch. TV: CSN Radio: 670 AM

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 17, 2010 -> 01:29 PM) If Flowers is the everyday starter, would you still want Lucy backing him up? I'd have no problem with that.

QUOTE (Real @ May 17, 2010 -> 09:38 AM) AJ isn't making that much money that you even consider dumping him, given all of the things he brings to the table. He's not even tendered past this year! Not to mention you aren't going to get ANYTHING worth a damn that will offset what you're losing if you trade him. You think teams are going to give up a top prospect for AJ? I mean, really? Stupid trade idea. How about coming up with a trade that actually makes sense? Oh, and if you think the White Sox are going to tear up whatever semblance of hope their fans (not you, or me, but the casuals that go to games and don't sweat if the team loses) have, by having a firesale and dumping 8 or 9 faces of this franchise, and risk an all-time low attendance in 2011, keep dreaming! They'll come up with a way to dump a guy here and there, and plan it out so the team still looks competitive next year and still be alright financially This team is screwed though, as far as actually WINNING divisions. What's the philosophy of the White Sox as a franchise? Do they teach ANYTHING to their prospects coming up through the system, that can be expected of them once they reach the big leagues? Look at the Twins, Rays, Yankees, even the Nationals, Angels. These teams are doing it the right way. A way this team has never done it. This franchise as it stands has no definition. Just a generic organization that doesn't have a strong farm system, or scouting department. They can't properly evaluate talent in the minors OR in the majors. You can group the Sox in with other generic franchises like the Rangers, Mariners, Tigers, Indians, A's, etc. Teams that aren't expected to be competitive on a yearly basis. If this organization doesn't develop a philosophy, a philosophy where all players are expected to understand what this team is about, a philosophy where players and management care about performing at the highest level, then it's going to continue on being a gigantic clusterf***, like it has been the last 2-3 years flame away! I could feel the anger through my computer monitor. Wow.

You know what's sad is if the Sox did trade AJ and/or Konerko and/or Jones and then DFA'd Vizquel and Kotsay then brought some young guys, we'd probably feel better about the team. I'm not saying they'd complete and make a run at MN, but they'd probably be a little more exciting to watch.

Hitting-wise, I don't think Flowers would be much worse than AJ is right now. But AJ brings a lot more than his bat to the game. That being said, I still think he gets moved, and I wouldn't mind seeing Flowers. I would imagine that we'd see quite a bit more of Castro, too.

Rios and Peavy aren't going anywhere, IMO. Which is fine. If the Sox are actually going to unload and try to rebuild for next year, I'm fine with trading AJ, Konerko, Jones, and even Floyd. I'm not sure what kind of return they could get for those guys, but I'm sure we will find out about a few of them soon.

I think the jest of the original post was missed here. No one is happy that another team is doing well when the Sox aren't, but the fact that the Padres are playing well somewhat diminishes the possibility of Gonzalez being dealt. Coupled with the fact that the Sox are playing so poorly, the chances of KW selling the farm for Gonzalez are getting slimmer and slimmer.

I would not be surprised if AJ is dealt, but I agree with several posters that noted his value is higher than just his hitting. Aside from salary relief, I would hope the Sox get something decent in return. I don't know much about Ranger prospects...I only know about Salty and his rare throwing issue.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 14, 2010 -> 02:31 PM) I wonder what the stat is on a team's record the first series with a new manager hired in season. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Royals kick butt. Who cares, though. Talk is cheap. Play ball. Well, if there is a history of teams playing well after a coach is replaced, the point is moot for this KC team. They ruined the potential mojo by allowing Hillman to coach a game after he was fired.

You know, for a day when the Sox are going to go absolutely nuts and kick some KC ass and then go on a winning tear, this board is awfully quiet today.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ May 14, 2010 -> 02:36 PM) You're kidding, right? Yes, thankfully.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 14, 2010 -> 12:59 PM) So I'm assuming Vizquel and Castro too? And they called up Lillibridge. So, the infield will be Vizquel, Lillibridge, Kotsay, and Teahen.

I'm a die hard Penguins fan, and although I was disappointed in their loss to Montreal I wasn't that surprised. After they forced game 7, I had a thought they would pull the upset and win. Luckily the Hawks are still in and going strong. If they play tough D, they can beat San Jose.

I haven't seen all of the shows in the poll, but of the ones I have, Rome Is Burning got my vote. I would like to see a flight between Rome and Mariotti where there was no winner, and neither could come back to TV. The mere appearance of them makes me want to take a swing at them.

QUOTE (SoxPride56 @ May 14, 2010 -> 08:53 AM) Enough of this f***ing losing bulls***. Enough of this tipping the cap to the opposing pitching crap. Go out there, pitch the ball, field the ball, and hit the mother f***ing ball. I’m tired of this good team, bad team routine they have been doing. Go out there and f***ing win, no excuses, just beat the living s*** out of the Royals! Post of the day so far.

A win tonight is the beginning of a winning streak. It's gotta happen now!

I find the banter between DJ and Farmer to be pretty funny. I can never tell if they are just joking around or there's actually some tension. DJ always seems to have that slight tone of taunting, like he's trying to make Farmer angry. I think they are better together than DJ and Hawk were together.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 12, 2010 -> 09:39 AM) He's my pick to click. I'm putting faith in your pick. You came close to a no hitter prediction a couple weeks back.