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Balta took the words out of my mouth. Good post.

I can't believe he died, as Greasy indicated, he was playing in Bloomington just over a month ago. He also had performances scheduled for this week. It's too bad.

If the Yankees get anything of value for the Unit without paying a subtantial amount of the $16 million he's owed next season, I'll be more angry than when they traded Sheffield to the Tigers.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 26, 2006 -> 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Two 23 year olds that probably will start the year in AAA. I disagree. Not that your post matters whatsoever, but Sisco and Floyd were no longer prospects after being in the majors for as long as they both have. All publications, including futuresox should not and will not include either of these two in 2007 White Sox top prospect lists.

Well, you can bet your bottom dollar I won't be heading to the Bears game on Sunday now. I can't see people in the 18-30 range spending New Years at a meaningless game against one of the leagues worst teams.

Happy Birthday, my fellow Willie Harris fan.

Cool pic..

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey man, I dont have a problem with your post, it was pretty right-on It's appreciated.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And again, you're still discounting the fact that Anderson has put up good minor league numbers and can hit, despite his 2005 season. I'm not saying he's going to battle for a batting title, but he's capable of .250/.315/.420 next year which, considering his defense, would be perfectly acceptable. If he can repeat his stellar defense, that's completely acceptable. Still, I'd rather a guy that could get on base at two of the three positions I mentioned considering outside of Konerko, Thome, Dye, and Iguchi, nobody else does. Wouldn't you agree?

Look at those Orioles. Remember when there wasn't a seat available for just about every game at Camden? Christ, what happened to that franchise?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It looks like your MO is just to insult others who dont share your opinion on the Red Sox. Usually apologies or explanations of bad behavior do not include calling people idiots, and claiming that you know so much more about baseball than others. A kid your age still has much to learn about the game and about how the MLB is run, maybe that should be something you need to think about as well. That wasn't an apologize, Dorf doesn't deserve one. As for me still learning about the game, I entirely agree. I love the sport in every way you can love a sport, and I'm learning on a day to day basis and will continue to do so for the rest of my life.

The White Sox scored a hell of a lot of runs last year, but in my opinion you have too many all or nothing players complimenting Dye, Thome, and Konerko. I'm not recommending Alex Cora, as I mentioned in the other thread, he's most desirable in the bench role and isn't good enough to be a starter. I am however recommending that in left, in center, and at short you get players to compliment the three aforementioned players instead of these all or nothing players, and in Brian Anderson and Scott Podsednik's case just nothing. I probably shouldn't have said major holes, but I'd certainly look into upgrading those three positions.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, I only respect posts from people that don't know two s***s about baseball, like Santo, Rock, etc. Seriously, does every post you ever make have to insult someone? What's worse though, 25k posts on the message board for the team you love, or 4k posts on a message board for a team you don't root for? I've made over 4,000 posts without insults in them. Are you seriously going to argue with me for the sake of arguing?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yup, but Freddy is going to throw 86 forever... It was totally obvious that last year pretty much the entire staff was hurt and/or tired for basically the whole season. You don't lose that much velocity for no reason, and lo and behold, now the reasons are coming out. He is soooo primed for a 20 win season, a huge contract, and then a huge let down. I completely agree. If his arm is back in full health and his velocity is back to normal, he'll be extremely effective in the National League. Of course, as you mentioned, he'll earn his buck and then be a huge let down.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Cool, thanks. Good Post, post padder.

Why hasn't there been that much interest in Floyd this offseason? His knees are obviously very problematic, but you'd think some American League team, ala the Mariners who traded for Vidro, would take a flier on him as there designated hitter.

The people who believe the White Sox were cutting payroll were simply basing that off of the starting pitchers being available, and no one being signed on the open market that would improve the team enough to make a considerably high financial move. It is interesting that Williams would say that he could add a significant contract to the roster if he saw something he liked though because all rumored trades (Garland for Taveras, Bucholz) and the Garcia trade were for cheap, young players and weren't very good deals in my opinion either. At this point in time, do I realistically see the White Sox winning the World Series? Well, I'd never say never, but with major holes in center field, left field, and short stop among others, at this point I feel as if it's unlikely. What players at a position of need are available? Who could the White Sox go out and grab? I'm not entirely sure, nonetheless, with another starting pitcher possibly being shopped, that player should be found and not traded for Taveras/Bucholz types who won't contribute in 2007.

Almost all of my posts are in Pale Hose Talk. My MO has always been the same. If I say something based on the Red Sox, I'm not going to sit and be mocked when some idiot is wrong in my opinion. I'll just have to deal with the fact that there are some people who don't know two s***s about baseball and laugh at it. I told Yasny, Wite, etc. that from now on, that's what I'll be doing. Unless of course I'm baited with nonsense like Dorf posted.

I'm going to give Dayton Moore some time before I write him and his Royals off entirely. He's done a nice job thus far in Kansas City and while a salary cap may be needed for there sake, it won't ever happen.. So to better baseball, I'm pulling for those pesky Royals.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Superb? Uhh, no. Above average, yes, but superb is reserved for guys like Adam Everett. How do I know that Cora isn't a great defender? Your own fanbase said so. That's funny. You calling Cora "incredible" came in the same paragraph as your bashing of Cintron, despite the fact that Cintron is and will be the better bench player going forward. That's okay though. Keep trying to rationalize how a player with a .298 SLG% is "incredible". "He did the little things"... haha, sounds like freakin' Timo. He's a bench player, knew his role, did it well, end of story. You keep going back to this slugging percentage when the White Sox had players who were relied upon with on-base percentages near the mendoza line. Keep trying to rationalize how players with .257 and .290 on-base percentages respectively are worth a lick. Or you could stop now and enjoy a cookie. Here: Edit: I just wanted to add that picking the Cora piece out of my long post is foolish. We're talking about a bench player who in my opinion and the opinion of many others was a real good option off the bench, given his versatility.

In my opinion, if you can play superb defensively all over the infield while being able to do all the little things as he did, you can be an excellent bench player, and thats the definition of Alex Cora.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> R&W was baiting, and I took it. There was no such baiting. Anyone with a brain would consider the three acquisitions made this offseason by the Red Sox as the top five moves of the offseason thus far, I happen to place them 1,2, and 3 respectively. Questionable attitude? Why? Because his agent is a prick? He's said all the right things throughout his career, anybody who questions his attitude is simply caught up in the hype of him being a super talent whose agent feels he should be compensated as such Read up, champ. http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds..._keeping_faith/ Crisp sucked in center field last year!? And the Red Sox don't have a true 4th OF!? Haha. Excuse me while I laugh. Since all you want to do is compare the Red Sox and White Sox, I'd be glad too. As far as center field goes, the White Sox had the worst centerfield in all of baseball last year. Crisp and Pena are both twice the players that Brian Anderson is. Also, it strikes me as funny that you can suggest bringing in Crisp to play center field for the White Sox, but that he sucks for the Red Sox? Get your head out of your ass. As for Pena in center field? He'll never be asked to play that position so there is no point in even rebutting that idiotic statement. Varitek is about as overpaid as a Konerko or some other player the White Sox showed loyalty too. As for Mirabelli, he was awful, not much better than Widger. Jesus, did you just say something that made sense? Still, I'd rather not stunt Kottaras' progression and stick him in the back up role when a guy like Mirabelli can be a one year stop gap on the cheap end. I could just as easily say that the Red Sox have as deep of a bullpen as any and midway through the offseason have only one roster spot to fill. "That roster spot is the closer", you say? Both Tim Wakefield and Jon Papelbon have been very successful in that role, if something doesn't pan out from outside the rotation I'd be equally as comfortable with either of Wakefield and Papelbon, and I think Theo Epstein agrees. Also, You want to spin it that way? I could also just as easily say that Curt Schilling is a first ballot Hall of Famer and one of the best pitchers in the game today, a young guy with all the talent in the world and a chip on his shoulder like he's never had in his life in Josh Beckett, a knuckleballer whose been nothing short of successful in every spot he's been placed in Tim Wakefield, a young stud in Jon Lester who also has a chip on his shoulder and is not only fighting to become one of the 25, someone who is going to be working his butt off to be in the best shape of his life so that he can kick this cancer in the nuts and save his life. Oh, and lets not forget, widely considered the greatest Japanese pitcher of all time and someone projected by just about every scout whose ever seen him pitch as a perennial ace over here in the states in Dice-K Matsuzaka at a fraction of the cost of what mediocre pitchers (Lilly, Meche) are being paid. Matt Clement? It's proven to be a mistake, just as the Mirabelli trade was, people make them, you more than others. Mike Lowell is one of the best, if not the best, defensive third basemen in baseball. For an entire city who applauded Joe Crede solely for his defense when he was consistently a misguided offensive player throughout his entire career, it's laughable that you'd bring the Red Sox third base situation into this. There is still alot of off season left, Lowell could be back, he might not be. It's not like he's being relied upon and he'll most likely be batting 7th or 8th, which considering the White Sox had an anemic 7-9, makes me all cozy inside. As for Hinske, there has been some reported interest in him. If there isn't any, he's a fine option off the bench at $2.5 million and provides depth. Your true colors and lack of baseball knowledge scream here. Might I ask you: What have been the three best moves of the offseason? Garcia for Floyd and Gonzalez? The White Sox got fleeced. While Varitek may be overpaid, there is no denying it, if he's able to provide a full season of leadership to a rotation that's going to be one of the best in baseball, he's worth every darn penny. As for Mirabelli being overpaid.. it's being reported that he'll make $700,000 next year which is Sandy Alomar money. That's right, the same Sandy Alomar who provided nothing at all, and threw out 3 of 25 base runners on the season. Dreadful. Third base, I explained. Lowell isn't even overpaid in this market to be totally honest. There is no overpaid pitcher on the Red Sox staff. There is no overpaid reliever in the Red Sox bullpen. Saying Drew and Dice-K are overpaid is just plain stupid. Again, what are the best moves of the season? Cora sucks? Oh, of course.. I forgot Alex Cintron and Pablo Ozuna were gods gifts to the world. That's obsurd. He was incredible off the bench last season, as he always has been with the Sox as he's known his role and played it to near perfection. No true fourth outfielder!? haha. Middle relief pitching!? Starting pitching!? hahaha.. When did Soxtalk become a haven for complete idiots. Go make a post about how Iverson is on his way to Golden St, you'll fit right in that way. Oh, and good one. The accounting office.. funny.. Oh! And I almost forgot. Steve Phillips whose been dead wrong with everything this offseason came out with a blurb about how the Red Sox weren't going to get Clemens. Just as they were going to get Bonds, just as they weren't going to strike a deal for Matsuzaka. Odds are, Clemens will be in Boston by the end of the week.

This is to funny. I'll respond after the basketball game.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> eh. JD Drew was a pretty awful contract. They played this situation out perfectly though IMO, Boras would have convinced Jim Hendry to give him 20 million a season. I completely disagree on the Drew contract being an awful one, even a bad one, to be honest. You could point to the Juan Pierre and Sarge Matthews contracts, but I'm not a believer in comparing it to this market when you take into consideration how player friendly it has become. Instead, I'm going to point to the fact that he's been one of the best hitters in baseball the last three seasons, has been healthy minus a broken wrist occurring when he was hit on that same wrist, and he performed as well as he did in Los Angeles, a park known for being one of the more pitcher friendly parks in the league. Not to mention, he was heavily relied upon in Los Angeles as there super star. He's only a compliment in Boston. Excellent signing. Well the Drew signing might be off anyways.. Darn..

I'll be laughed at but the Red Sox made the three best signings of the offseason, without question in my opinion. Based on money, team needs, etc.