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haha, abreu is a hall of famer? he might be one of the most overrated players in the game, but he did win the derby, right? just for the record, some splits: Bobby Abreu, 2005 Home: .304 / .423 / .535 and 15 HR Away: .268 / .387 / .417 and 9 HR

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 13, 2006 -> 01:44 PM) I'm sure you know this but Manny's bloated contract is what is preventing the Red Sox from getting fair value for him. I'm sure Manny's attitude doesn't help much either though. The Red Sox will have to include a good deal of money to move Manny and it may never happen. I also think that the Red Sox are willing to take pretty much any modest offer for David Wells at this point, as long as they don't have to eat any of his contract. They obviously need to dump a starter and 'ol fatboy is a wise choice. I think he means that no matter what player(s) the Red Sox trade Manny for, you will say it's a good trade in Boston's favor. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 3 years/57 mil in the market teams like the Yankees (Damon) and Dodgers (Furcal) have set isn't as bloated as it once was, although i guess i know what you talking about. any modest offer? here's hoyers take: "He knows, like Manny (Ramirez), we’re trying to deal him but there have been no threats made to us about spring training," Hoyer said. "He’s been pretty good on the phone, understanding our situation. He won 15 games and is a very good pitcher, so we need to get a very good deal for him. Generally, the conversations we’ve had with him have been very positive. He understands that we need to get fair value for him in the market." Wells remains a better bet than Ramirez to be dealt. as for dorf, i think thats ridiculous, but its to be expected because everybody knows any move the red sox make i like, for instance the signing of rudy seanez that i bashed over and over.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 13, 2006 -> 12:32 AM) Regardless of what happens with Manny, R&W will put a positive spin on it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i dont even know what this means...

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jan 12, 2006 -> 07:35 PM) I think I speak for everyone on the face of the Earth when I say, MAKE UP YOUR f***ING MINDS, BOSTON! DO YOU REALLY NEED THIS MUCH ATTENTION? TRADE HIM OR KEEP HIM AND SHUT THE f*** UP ABOUT IT! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the red sox aren't making a big deal about anything. this is a foxsports article, nothing more nothing less. by that judgement (the wrong judgement), the red sox should trade him for some peanuts and a bag of baseballs because that is all that is being offered for him at this point. :headshake

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 03:27 PM) "The White Sox won't make the playoffs"--qwerty "Dustin Hermanson just isn't very good"--qwerty "Neal Cotts won't have an era under 4"--qwerty You're just an anti homer so anything someone says positive about the team you think it's them being a homer. True story. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> archived posts are a b****, huh qwert? another great post.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) You're very biased towards the Red Sox and I honestly have no problem with that, that's part of being a fan if you ask me. The thing is though, you're coming onto a White Sox board and doing trying to spread it. Listen r&w, the Red Sox just aren't very liked around here and there are several reasons for that and if you want an answer for that it's mostly because the way espn shoved them down our throats that last few years. Obviously that isn't yours or any other Red Sox fans fault but it gets to become very repetitive and annoying. You're a very intelligent fan but you're not going to get any backing when talking about the Red Sox here because most White Sox fans despise them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well said, my friend - any reason why white sox fans perticularly think that red sox prospects are overhyped when the most respected publications like baseball america, etc. are rating these players as high as some red sox publications?

QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) You are a bigger homer than felix and rowand... and trust me that is quite an acomplishment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> again.. explain? what have i said that even relates to something a homer would say?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 03:14 PM) And it boggles our minds how ridiculous you can be when it comes to the Red Sox. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> again.. explain.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 03:12 PM) I dont think people are ridiculous to the Red Sox as a team, but more to you, yourself. You consistently come on this board 1.Looking for a fight. 2. Defending anything and everything your club does 3. Really only post about the Red Sox in the last 3 months or so. When was the last time you posted more than 5 responses in a thread without getting into a fight or debate? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1. i'm not looking for any fights. im trying to understand where all this hostility comes from towards the red sox and i have never been given a concrete answer. thats to be expected out of the kids like aboz, but to the people i respect like yourself, yasny, jason, etc. here i'm just looking for an answer. 2. i don't defend anything and everything the red sox do or have done. i think i vented on soxtalk when seanez was signed but everything else i've liked a ton, just like i liked the white sox picking up thome and signing garland, etc. 3. this is true, for sure - but mainly because besides some things early on, the white sox have been rather quiet this offseason. when i get back from my holiday vacation and can post in full rather than only sparingly, i'll be the first to comment in any and all white sox related threads just like i have in the past.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) The Red Sox prospects are overhyped because one of the most visible baseball "experts", Peter Gammons, thinks every guy is going to be a stud. Also, I honestly don't know why you put yourself through some of the arguments you get in on this board. You take things way too personally in regards to the Red Sox. If you want to find a board the praises every player or thing they do, I'm pretty sure there are plenty of Red Sox boards available. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> whatever unsubstantiated comments Gammons make has very little if any effect on what professional major league franchise will do. the fact is, national publications such as baseball america etc. have rated the likes of papelbon, lester, and (before he was traded) anibal sanchez as top 20 pitching prospects in all of baseball. is baseball america overhyping these players? again, i do frequent red sox boards on top of this one, it just boggles the mind at how ridiculous some people are on here when it comes to the red sox.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Dec 30, 2005 -> 09:32 AM) What isnt tilted towards Boston? I swear they are just as bad as the Yankees in terms of prospect hype and what it generates them in the trade market, and every trade is a fleece to me, I just dont get it. Jeremy Reed and Gil Meche for Jon Lester? Two major leaguers for a minor league prospect. GMAFB. Every trade is like this. Casey Fossum, Brandon Lyon, Jorge De La Rosa and Michael Goss for Curt Schilling. Who? Nobodies. Fossum was already traded to Tampa and has been a dissapointment, Lyon sported a 6.62 ERA last year, De La Rosa was traded to Milwaukee. I just dont get how they pull the wool over everyones eyes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i really never understood this, so i think im going to get to the bottom of this now. the red sox prospects are overhyped how? edit: thinking about it, perhaps the white sox prospects are just as overhyped as the yankees prospects are? i mean the white sox got freddy garcia for jeremy reed, mike morse, and miguel olivo? who? there nobodies...

i like snow as a platoon with youkilis at first. i want this one to be finalized.

how have the red sox dealt with pressure thus far? the red sox won't be pressured into doing anything.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 26, 2005 -> 06:04 PM) And the implications for the White Sox are: Pitching is getting even more expensive. Garland's price continues to go up, as does Contreras' for that matter. 5 years and $60 million for Kevin Millwood, that is insane. Insane for the Texas Rangers to stupidly give him that much money, and insane for the game of baseball. Boras does his "job" again, raising the salary bar for everyone else. Javier Vazquez looks more like a bargain acquisition each and every day. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the white sox could trade garland in a similar deal the brewers made when they rid themselves of richie sexson but i guess the white sox dont have 10 open roster spots for quality players. it's amazing how sought after the garlands, clements, wells, etc. will now become.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 26, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) An .806 OPS is great production from the center field position. In comparison, Aaron Rowand had a .736 OPS last season. A trade for Coco Crisp (.810 OPS last season) would be one of the only feasible replacements for Damon's offensive production in center field. But I doubt Crisp will be traded now since the Indians failed to sign Nomar. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> it sure is, but is it worth 13 million dollars over the next four years? an emphatic no should be the answer. as for crisp, he'll be available. with these langerhans rumors and such, i think the red sox will almost certainly acquire crisp, and to be honest with you, i'd rather see jeremy reed.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 26, 2005 -> 06:07 AM) Since when did OPS become an important stat for a leadoff hitter? By that reasoning, Scott Podsednik wasn't very good at all in 2005 (and Pods fans, please don't get me started on a Pods is great argument, even though I'm not his biggest backer). The rotation will be exceptional? Better than the White Sox's rotation? You're relying on Josh Beckett to stay injury free, Tim Wakefield to pitch the same without his preferred catcher Doug Mirrabelli there, Matt Clement to prove his 2nd half was an anomaly, Curt Schilling to get back to his 2004 form and Bronson Arroyo to keep developing (I'm assuming Wells will be traded). A LOT of if's there. I think that what people are arguing is that the downgrade in offense for the Red Sox (you've lost Damon, Renteria, Mueller) and could lose Manny on top of that, will probably be greater than the supposed improvement the Red Sox have made to their pitching. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ops isn't a very important statistic for a leadoff hitter, i was just simply saying his .806 ops could be replaced by a coco crisp or in other areas allowing a jeremy reed to take over in center. this point is moot anyways because damon is gone, and good riddance. the white sox rotation is the best in baseball, i never even hinted that it would be better than the white sox. however, i think the rotation will be pretty darn good next year. beckett, schilling - there both can't miss talents. wakefield, although losing mirabelli may be a factor is one of the most consistent players in the game. two of arroyo, wells, and clement will be traded, and possibly all three. the bullpen is complete, and i can't see papelbon not being up with the team next season, he could be in the rotation. again, its early. also, consider whos been added. mark loretta - for a back-up catcher? andy marte for a guy who never settled down in boston? not paying 13 million a year for a guy of johnny damons caliber? boy has this offseason been good.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 24, 2005 -> 05:18 PM) Its better than Anaheims. Stoneman is incompetent. I don't think Boston has had a great off-season, but they have added to there rotation and should have Foulke back at 100%. For the record, as of now, I don't think either will make the playoffs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> explain how the red sox haven't had a good offseason, please.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 24, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) And Boston has a good rotation and a good bullpen? Spare me Gage. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the red sox lose a very easily replaced .806 ops at the leadoff spot, and pretty much nothing else offensively as of right now. they have improved the bullpen immensely, and the rotation will be exceptional. its far to early to guarantee anything, but the red sox will be a top five team in the american league next season.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 24, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) I was sure right when I said we'd beat down the Red Sox this year in the playoffs. Get back to your SonsofSamHorn Christmas party. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think I disagreed with you. as i've said many times, congratulations white sox fans on the exceptional 2005 season. and no.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) aboz wrong? i wonder if the sun comes up tommorow. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i was worried for a minute but then i remembered aboz is wrong more often than hes right and that every previous situation the sun has rised the next morning.

add willie harris to the list of possible red sox centerfielders..

happy birthday, my friend.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) No way is Anaheim better than Boston. Right now Anaheim has a crappy rotation, a weakened pen, and no offense. They have a good mgr and a great defense. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> aboz wrong? i wonder if the sun comes up tommorow.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) As for that comment R&W made about liking the direction the Red Sox are heading, well I didn't know you were all that infatuated with DOWN ... because that's where they are headed right now. They may salvage some things this offseason, but right at the moment, it ain't looking to damn good. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the red sox are heading down because they didn't throw out 13 million dollars per to johnny damon? i disagree, my friend.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:39 PM) Best five teams in the AL: 1) CHW 2) CLE 3) NYY 4) OAK 5) ANA Notice who is not in there. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> answer this: where were the white sox on that list last year? :rolly