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QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 11:24 PM) I'm just waiting for Thome to help this team win a game when it's in the 9th and we're tied or down a run. I will take the other 8 innings of the game he helps us and not complain about his close and late numbers.

Stupid thome getting a one out hit in the fourth.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 03:21 PM) Unless you really like small-ball and grinders... Yes, this is all speculation from a journalist, but unfortunately it makes all too much sense. I could easily see KW doing this. No... it really makes very little sense.

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 02:18 AM) you know what's worse? the second to last game of the season IS NOT GOING TO f***ING BE ON TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we have no shot of the playoffs at that point it will not be aired... if we do someone like fox would pick it up.

I agree, we should have all the faith in the world because jenks saved game four of the world series. He gets a free pass along with ozzie because of his genius managing in the playoffs.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 12:33 AM) Is Thomas on a one year deal? Interesting because he probably will want big bucks this offseason. I wonder if he'll get it. I guess he's still a big injury risk but hey with those numbers I can't imagine him playing for the minimum again. Not with his ego. Interesting. I wonder if he'll get a good contract. Something in the 5-8 million range + incentives. There is always a team out there... glad we will not be that team.

I do not even see this as a debate. Jim thome has a an ops of 1.207 with risp this season. Frank thomas has an ops of .968 with risp this season. Does it surprise any that thomas has 22 home runs with no one on? Compared to his 14 with a runner on. Thome has 21 with runners on compared to his 18 with no one on. I always hear people complain that thome is not clutch and such. Thomas has 706 ops in close and late situations (50 ab's) compared to thome' s .900 ops (60ab's). If you really want to complain about thome... you can point to his .250 average with no one on (still not a bad .915 ops). His s***ty .540 slugging in that situation would currently have him tied for 25 in all of baseball with grady sizemore. Thomas was never coming back. It is plain and simple. We were obviously not picking up his contract. He would have never come back... do you think he would ever accept a 500k deal from the sox? He would have felt a team that he did so much for (he made a couple bucks along the way when he was injured... yet he forgets such things) should stick by his side and pay up. He has always thought he was underpaid and off-season would have been no different. I highly doubt either side was ever close this off-season.

Anyone else surrounded by a panom yeerum (tony jaa) craze?

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 09:37 AM) Alex Sanchez etc. took steroids because they help increase fast twitch muscles which helps with hand-eye coordination, bat speed, speed, etc. Steroids are not all about power hitting -- which is a common misconception regarding anabolic steroids. Of course. I just like to use his as an example because if he has been caught with them... someone that i am sure not many expected... anyone could be. QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 01:36 PM) Hence why relievers would take steroids too. The increase in muscle regeneration is huge for them, and allows them to be pitch well for days and days in a row. I have always thought our former closer was on steroids... never believed that he was overworked.

QUOTE(cgaudin @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 05:14 PM) I think you have something there. Having Anderson in front of our best hitter should give him good pitches to hit. Problem is, if he doesn't hit, the Sox will likely lose many more ballgames. It is true though, if he can't hit in that situation, then it's time to move him, 'cause he's not likely to get better. Yes, he will never get better offensively if/when he cannot hit in the two hole? Yes, it is unlikely that he will ever be good in the two hitter but he will get better with seasoning.. He will end up being a .260's-low .280's hitter. I do not envision a rapid turn around with his strikeouts... but i do like his potential with his eye. I think he has the chance to walk 60 times in a full season which would be up there with our team leaders.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 07:13 AM) Not a chance. Those two will be signed by some desperate team and make more than Jermaine Dye will. I agree 100%. Mark is a keeper and should be a White sox for a long time. The sox were also getting carlos pena this off-season.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Sep 3, 2006 -> 04:03 PM) I really just don't understand it. Every other day there is a new thead poking fun at how much "kool-aid" people are drinking. It's a joke. Why do you people give a s***? Well for one.. if you are letting the world see what you have to say... why not try and be as accurate as possible?

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 11:27 PM) Sweeney is faster than Pods and a bigger threat to get on base right now IMO. Where did sweeney get all this speed from? His speed is slighty above average.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 09:23 AM) Exactly my thoughts personified. Why would you want to give up Vazquez right now, that makes no sense to me. He had a 3.41 ERA in August in 6 starts and has a 1.13 ERA this month from his great start in Boston. His value wouldn't exactly be at its highest right now, and there's a lot more possible future reward if we stick by him, which I'm sure we will. He also has 40 K's during those 7 starts, we don't have many dominating strikeout pitchers in this rotation (which I'm sure Flash will tell you). It's quite sad that Ozzie uses stats and the matchups a lot for say the bullpen, but won't look at the promise Brian Anderson has shown in the 2nd half of this season. Ozzie does not use stats for the bullpen. He uses a theory that lefties can always get lefties out better than righties... and even vice versa.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 9, 2006 -> 12:23 PM) Well, can you prove, beyond a doubt, that Sosa or McGwire took anything? I know it looks like they did, and I do think that they did, but they haven't been proven guilty either. Even if damning evidence comes out that they used steroids, is there any proof how much influence steroids actually have on homerun totals? Sure, it gives the person more muscle, which means they will have the ability to hit the ball harder/farther, but how do you know if it will add 1 homerun, 3, 5, or 10? They helped alex sanchez hit a ton more.

Angels... angels... angels. Makes enough sense to me and always has.

Are people really suggesting haeger in the rotation? Really bold prediction on my part... haeger will not be in the chicago white sox starting rotation.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 12:37 AM) Its called benching him for a night. How is that so out of order. Giving a guy who has been dragging for the last week or so, a night off to get his mental and physical approach together. He still does have an .834 ops... which no one on the bench could likely (gload can get hot i suppose) hold for a for an extended time. I am just saying konerko is not the problem at the time... if he ever goes out for a while...

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 12:36 AM) Why do we want Sweeney in centerfield? I guess we should just bust out every handicap to set us back even farther.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 10:15 PM) Maybe we can get Cerrano to come down to the dugout and wake up the bats. You can tell classic whitesox corpseball, when some bum is no hitting you past the 4th inning. Someone needs to tell Paulie that the pitchers will stop feeding him low and away crap the minute he proves he can take it the other way. Hearing Farmer say that when Konerko is right, he takes what is given to him and hits the away pitch hard to right. And then watching him right after that attempt to pull pitch after pitch low and away. Either he is too stubborn, or doesnt pick up on things all that quick. Maybe its time to bench Mr Kong for a night and put in Gload. Why do we have to rip on everyone.. even when he puts up career numbers for his third straight year. I mean he is only tenth the AL in rbi's and slugging. He is not one of our problems... believe it or not. Gload for konerko? You gain zero. If we get ballsy and put gload out in left for podsednik...

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 11:52 PM) I don't think you understand the tone of this thread. The thread was started by somebody defending Ozzie's piss poor management, and calling out the "Ozzie Haters". No one in there right mind is defending Mark Buehrle, hence, no "Buehrle Haters" thread. Comprede? This guy sounds like someone of old to me... not sure who. QUOTE(whitesox1976 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 11:58 PM) If we get into the playoffs, and repeat as World Champions everyone would love Ozzie. This is a false statement. QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 11:59 PM) I read often enough to know you don't understand the game. Also a false statement. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 12:00 AM) This comming from the guy who's never seen a negative Buehrle thread, you can't be all that perceptive then. If he has ever even browsed a white sox forum he should come along plenty... in a day. QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 12:02 AM) We lost, so Oz is a bum ... tonight. We win tomorrow and he'll be good again. I think he's good everyday. He's a young young manager who already has a ring. He'll be great the more mature he gets on the bench. GO OZ!

QUOTE(Duck @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 06:15 PM) > That makes no sense. You can't compare stats from 20 different leagues. He's at the highest level of minor league baseball and doing very well and he's been steadily improving. Francouer is a dime a dozen player? How many other 22 year olds are going to drive in 100 runs this year and have it considered a sophomore slump year? I originally thought that Sweeney was slated for 2008, but he could easily be a platoon player at worst in 2007. I saw him in Spring Training this year and he has a better arm than Anderson and is better defensively than Pods, Ozuna, Mackowiak and Dye. If he can hit .260, he'll play. Pods won't be here next year so there will be plenty of opportunities. Do you realize the stat line sweeney would have in with a .260 average? He would be another podsednik. I think i am one of the few that understands he will really only be a upgrade of podsednik defensively... in likely his first two seasons. Also, i agree with wite 100% about francouer and others in his situation. QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 06:05 PM) One key little element you're missing when you look at his season numbers...he's gotten better as the season went on. Which is exactly what you'd hope from a guy his age. OPS by Month, Ryan Sweeney: 0.741 0.773 0.766 0.857 0.852 HR by month: 1 1 3 3 5 2B by month: 3 0 5 7 10 (May he was on the DL for a couple weeks, so his at bats were a little low that month) Well they say the jump from single A is the hardest to make. Players that come up straight from double A can and have suceeded many times... it is not out of the ordinary. But more times than not a player will struggle for a long length of time when they first come up... rather than playing well. There is always a transition one way or another for every player that comes up.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 05:31 PM) What are you talking about... this is all speculation on your part and you make it seem like your 100% sure its true... some things on message boards are just flatout ridiculous. Ironic isn't it?

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 03:28 PM) No people need to realize that Sweeney's swing is much better than Anderson's was when he first came up and is still after Anderson's adjustment. And he will hit much better than what Anderson's avg. is over his first season but just wont supply a lot of pop. Im not saying .300 im saying .260 plus. Willing to bet anderson first year out produces sweeney in his first year... both defensively and offensively. QUOTE(Duck @ Sep 7, 2006 -> 04:18 PM) I'm not sure why everyone is saying that Sweeney has been mediocre this year. Sweeney was the 8th leading hitter for avg. in the International League and in the top 15 in RBI's and top 20 in OPS. There's a misconception that there are hitters in the minor leagues hitting .375 with 60 HR's. That's not the case. Check out the league leaders and you see there's only one player in the entire International League with an average over .308 and I guarantee you there are a bunch of future All Stars in that league. Sweeney is 21 years old, he's about 1,000 at bats from high school. Hitting is arguably the toughest skill to master in all of sports. That's why you don't see High School players go directly to the pro's. You can count on one hand the number of College hitters who've come straight into major league baseball and been productive (Bob Horner, Robin Ventura??) and Sweeney is younger than those guys. Jeff Franceour was hitting .275 when the Braves brought him up last year and he won't be seeing the minors anytime soon. I could see you making a case for him if he was top 15-20 in the entire minors... but he is top 15-20 in his own individual league. There are what... 19 leagues in the minors? His numbers were not quite as impressive as you take them as... if you consider his age they are slightly more impressive. He had an .802 ops in charlotte of all places. Just watching him play ( and yes i have seen him in person in charlotte and online when games are available) he is not ready yet. A year or two from now is when he will likely have it all down. He needs to work on his power and better defensive reads/jumps. You have to rememeber there is not one area of his game that he extremely excels at ( average, gap power, obp, defense). He still has time before he will be a productive every day baseball player... even to the point of brian anderson. Francouer? There are guys that put up numbers like him dime a dozen if you give them 600 at-bats plus a season. His approach up there is just disgusting to watch. He is the definition of a guess hitter.

Why do threads constantly suck now?