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QUOTE(TLAK @ Mar 9, 2007 -> 06:55 AM) The Royals beat Jim up yesterday. IP 1 H3 R3 ER3 BB1 K0 Non Roster invite Billy Butler took him long. So after 2 outings: ERA9.00 IP3 H6 R6 ER6 HR1 HB1 BB1 K3 Wouldn't his stat like be... ERA9.00 IP3 H6 R3 ER3 HR1 HB1 BB1 K3

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 8, 2007 -> 10:23 PM) In comparison to the other options currently on the team. Does not mean he destroys them... plain and simple. Like how you said nothing about fisk...

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 8, 2007 -> 03:38 PM) Eduardo Perez may be a firstbaseman but there has been talk of him playing a little LF this year against lefties, since he destroys them historically. It would be the first time the Sox put a non-OF in LF. Perez has a .863 ops ops verse lefties in his career. You and i both know that is not detstroying s***. Carlton fisk?

Whi+3 sUx!!!

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Feb 19, 2007 -> 12:32 AM) Jon Garland has a shot. A long one, but a shot. What he did in June, July and August last season was awesome. He's shown flashes of brilliance and seems to be putting them together for longer periods of time during the season. I keep thinking that one season, he's going to dominate. There's no reason he shouldn't be a 20 game winner and with his delivery and build, he can do it for years to come. He's 27, still young enough to get it going. Curt Schilling had 34 wins by the time he was Garland's age. Garland has 82.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Feb 7, 2007 -> 08:29 PM) Gotta love posting less than ever before and getting nominated for poster of the year. To be honest i thought they just picked the poster of the year nominations out of a hat this year.

What season do you all actually plan on simming this league to before a new one starts?

QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 1, 2007 -> 12:43 AM) Nope, I'm pretty confident of my observation regarding Dye in the outfield. Dye had an amazing year with the bat last season, but his defense was mediocre. Mediocre isn't bad when you compare it to the horses*** we have in LF. Dye is nothing out there defensively compared to before his leg was shattered... which is very understandable. Last year dye's arm was more accurate than in 2005. The 2005 season dye would over throw the cut off man almost daily. I agree with you about his lack of charging the ball... he basically will wait until the ball rolls to his glove. Personally i don't believe teams are very scared of running on dye... if anything it should be seen as an oppurtunity.

Me being nominated for something this year is like palmeiro with that gold glove.

QUOTE(beautox @ Jan 31, 2007 -> 03:37 AM) have you ever seen the video of the person beating it in 11mins, i think it was done with an emuator, but regardless its still impressive. Not impressive whatsoever. The entire thing was faked... so therefore it means nothing. He could have at least done a better job than he did.

QUOTE(JERMAINEDYE4MVP @ Jan 26, 2007 -> 06:26 PM) http://espn.2.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=30 White Sox are 4th in the AL and 6th overall in MLB... Sure seems like they are 7th in baseball going by that...

QUOTE(CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 24, 2007 -> 12:47 PM) 2 guys u agree with make sense , the rest of us are senseless. Classy ! Debate the move. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for your vast knowledge of baseball. They are two people i consistently agree with because they are correct a much greater portion than the average person. It is not that they are even correct as much as they make alot of sense. I do not see them pull things out of their ass before they post... studying is involved which i respect.

You know the signing is pointless when multiple pages in the thread is discussing trivia ( no offense to anyone who participated in the trivia). Will there be a day that anyone other than wite and kalapse make any sense in the foreseeable future?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 17, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) Cleveland's offense is going to be ridiculously good next year. Over/under Keith: 875 runs They had 870 last season... that answers the question to me.

QUOTE(iWiN4PreP @ Jan 12, 2007 -> 08:22 PM) yo... i take this job, like i take the cash money i got hoes, b****s, there my honeys my teams the sox, the white ones f*** the red ones, we dont commit our team to funds how about iguchi? ochie..ochie. walla straight up s*** is real for the sox this season ^^ just a quick sample. No label has signed you yet?

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jan 12, 2007 -> 11:46 PM) I'm not sure what numbers you're looking at, but he had a 5.59 ERA in 19 starts, so I don't think he ever really looked good as a starter... QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 13, 2007 -> 12:12 AM) 04/08/04 - 05/30/04 (April-May): 10 GS, 5-2, 3.64 ERA, 1.31 WHIP 06/01/04 - 10/02/04 (June-Sept): 9 GS, 1-7, 8.19 ERA, 1.86 WHIP I miss the simple pwnAg3 like this.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 8, 2007 -> 09:02 PM) Can Laura Prepon qualify as strange? She is about the only red head I like. Even though you are a red head yourself...

Cordero> jenks at the end of the day. I know it is hard for many to believe someone is better than the savior bobby jenks.

Haeger could probally nab crawford by himself no?

Why do people insist on also rushing sweeney to the majors? I find that thought disgusting actually.

If terrero makes the roster we will have trouble next season. Thankfully, he won't come close.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 08:42 AM) Well, I think they might be overpaying for a guy in his contract year, but we've seen this movie before when Kenny traded for Freddy. Frankly, I think Garcia is one of the better starters in the league, and I can't blame the Angels for wanting him. I'd imagine they'd try to extend him, and my guess is that they believe he'll be back in top form next year, something I believe, too, once he's had a full offseason since he's pitched so many innings in the last two years. Freddy's very undervalued, IMO, not just around the league but in his own city, too. I think the coolest thing the crowds at Comiskular did this year, though, was cheer his name in his last homestart against Seattle. (Needless to say, I'd love to have him back and deal one of the other four, and probably extend him, too. Ah, if only we lived in an ideal world.) Question: let's say the Sox deal Freddy for Santana. Anybody got a problem dealing, oh, Garland and Uribe for Young and a couple of pitching prospects? How about Cintron and Garland? Then we'd have a rotation that looks like, Buehrle Contreras Vazquez Santana McCarthy Frees up money and looks good to me. If we can land Santana, I think we should deal another pitcher. Why the sudden change of thought? Said this in august ''Freddy has a lot of problems. The biggest being, IMO, that his fastball is an offspeed pitch.'' ''I wish someone would punch Javier Vazquez in his fragile face.'' ''In a perfect world, we'd get rid of both Freddy and Javier for Mac and someone better. Freddy, too'' ''I'm about done with this thread. I think it's clear that I feel Freddy's a bum.'' ''I still think Freddy Garcia is simply off steroids.'' ''Freddy Garcia is a big fat washed up lazy pot smoker who might possibly be feeling the after-effects of steroid use.'' ''The thing that makes me doubt that, though, is that he has hit the mid-90s in a few games this year. He can still do it sometimes, and that makes me wonder about his 'roid use. In my mind, the alternative is that he's just been getting fatter (that we can see with our own eyes) and has lost a lot of focus, and probably is hitting up too much marijuana. Hell, it could be both.'' ''Uh, in that instance, I was responding to something someone else said, which I'm sure you must've read unless you're simply following me about the board looking for Freddy Comments. Why are you so upset by me musing about Freddy's drug use -- are you trying to defend Freddy's reputation, Mrs. Garcia? All I did was say that, hey, he's getting fatter, was caught with too much marijuana in his system, and has lost velocity in his fastball. Marijuana + Freddy might = why he's out of shape and throwing softer. Steroids and amphetamines seem like a better fit to me, too, but I don't put it past him that, hey, drug use might be a problem for dear old Freddy. And, not to play holier than thou, but I don't drink, do drugs or smoke cigarrettes, either. I don't take pain pills when I get hurt because I have a personal rule about dealing with pain (ever since I split my right index finger open on the Fourth of July in an accident a few years ago), and I don't take Tylenols, either. What else are you sure of?'' ''Don't put sarcastic words in my mouth, fathom. I'm sure plenty of players smoke pot. I don't see that many that have also gotten fatter, appear lazier, and have lost a lot of their talent, too.'' ''I didn't say that heavy pot use diminished your ability, on its own. All I said was that the whole Garcia package is rotten, and coupled with the pot use there are some seriously problems. And, for anyone who is saying that he's hurt, might've thrown his arm out, or simply had a "lazy" offseason, I don't think that's the case. His velocity is gone for good.'' I have never seen a flip flop like this in my life. I don't know how you can ever come on here and support garcia. Garcia's back to back one hitters through 8 innings had nothing to do with it i assume? Basically you have looked like a fool either way you go. I would have had more respect for you if you kept bashing him until... and even after he leaves. I suppose most people have the train of thought... what have you done for me lately These are the some of the reasons soxtalk has diminished ( not a crack at the admins or mods... not like they can help it). This new (er) batch of posters just post out of their asses... hope for an arguement ( which they know they will get) and waste entire threads at a time. f***ing disgrace if you ask me. This site is ran for enjoyment of fellow sox fans and my enjoyment has run out do to some selective members.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:03 PM) Not true. It's an above average season. That is, better than most players. Much better than most rookies. And much, much better than Cotts's rookie season. He only had a 114 era+ this past season...

I know everyone is saying his 2005 season was a fluke... and they may be right... but you have to give the guy a year or two more to officially know if he has the ability to be one of the top lefties in the game. His 2003 numbers with the white sox can be thrown out the window. 2004 when he was brought up to the major league club he skipped triple a... and did horrendous as we all know. There are too many players to count that struggle after they are pushed into a role right out of the minors... let alone never having any triple-a experience. I believe his 2004 greatly benefitted his 2005 season. Experience at the major league level... no matter how bad is always a good thing. You can take in all the adjustments that need to be made for the following season... and also pick up on what major league hitters don't let you get away with compared to the minors. In 2006 he had a damn solid first half ( other than the five homeruns he gave up). Second half as we all know he got raped beyond belief ( .420 average against, 7 homers, 14 walks in 17.1 innings). The sox gave up on one of the best lefty relievers for a year and a half stretch because of just 17.1 innings of putrid pitching. 17.1 innings f***ing innings should not be what determines a player. This deal can indeed bite the white sox in the asshole... but i think it will work out for both teams nicely. QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 12:01 PM) Think again. Aardsma is one of the hardest throwers in the game. In fact I remember John Dujaun on the Score saying he was the hardest thrower for the Cubs (AVG fast ball is around 96 MPH) and Jenks, Thornton, and MacDougall were in the top 10 as well. Maybe acquiring this Vasquez will stop people from spelling Javy's last name incorrectly. 96 is fast... don't get me wrong but there are more than ten relievers in the majors who throw a fastball as fast. QUOTE(AbeFroman @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 12:13 PM) At first, this deal made me sick... It had a "Todd Ritchie" feel to it. Then I looked at Cott's numbers: In 2005, Cotts was unhittable from both sides of the plate. Righties hit .115 off him; That jumped to a whopping .314 in 2006. Against lefties he went from .206 to .263. 2006 totals: .291 BA with a .903 OPS. Thats not a guy we want coming out of the bullpen. The way things are situated right now, with Jenks, Thornton, and MacDougal, Cotts was expendable. I have no idea what where getting in return. On that issue, I guess I'll just trust Kenny. I'm quite certain he's earned it. Righties hit .155 off of cotts in 2005. QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 12:14 PM) If people want to say Cotts has no stuff and just a sneaky fastball with a deceiving motion, what do they have to say about Logan? I saw him late in the year here in Louisville in AAA action and he wasn't impressive at all. He's the prototype of a guy with no stuff and a funky motion. Nail was pretty much hit right on the head. QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 12:23 PM) Especially the bullpen. Honestly, I don't see the bullpen as a huge problem heading into next year. Our top three is as solid as they come. I'd like to see Kenny bring in a reliever from the Asian market, and let that guy compete with Haeger / Perez / Aardsma / Logan for the final three spots. I am actually quite shocked that you would feel alright relying on haeger/perez/logan/japanese reliever ( i strongly do not believe there will be as many successes reliever wise in this batch). I personally will never understand the fascination about haeger. Can you personally explain it? If haeger some how ends up on the roster to start the season i cannot see him being up for anything near a full season. QUOTE(Friend of Nordhagen @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 12:43 PM) I watched Aardsma a few times last year. He was up with the Cubs early in the year, couldn't get the ball over the plate, and was terrible. He came back up later, had better control, and was pretty effective. Somebody quoted Sickels earlier saying he was throwing 88-92 before last year. Not last year. In the games I saw, he threw a lot harder than that, more like mid to upper 90's. And that's taking into account screwed up guns; hitters had a lot of trouble getting on top of his high fastballs. Lots of swinging strikes. If he gets it over, he's certainly better than Riske, maybe a lot better. But that's the big "if." Aardsma lost velocity during the 2005 season while in double-a. Spring training 2006 he quickly regained it and ended up get closer oppurtunities to start the season for triple-a iowa. There was only that small stretch that his velocity dipped. I would not be too worried. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 01:07 PM) More of that high end insight from rotoworld.com or I mean the associated cub fan who writes for mlbtraderumors.com He didnt lose any stuff. Lets see Neal Cotts was winging a 93 mph fastball in there in 05 and had every batter on their heals because he pitched ahead an stayed ahead. Now every other year outside of 05, Neal would work into hitting counts, and was hitting a 91 mph fastball and little to no secondary pitches. I still remember when he would Rick Ankiel a few into the backstop. These reviews are funny at best. Especially when one of the contributors is a cub fan. You have one year, that is completely differerent than any of their others. Yet lets jump on the one year and ride it into the sunset as the norm instead of the wierd thing. Cotts velocity has been consistent from the day he came up to the majors. There really is no arguement about it. Anyone else recall him topping out at 93... consistently that is... in 2005?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 12, 2006 -> 02:00 PM) I'd be giddy if we got Clemens for a year. I love Roger and he would guarantee sellouts every 5 games. Best thing clemens has or will ever do for the white sox is pitch against us in the world series.