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QUOTE(ptatc @ Jan 29, 2008 -> 10:48 AM) I still disagree. While the "speedster" only leads off once, he creates a distraction for the pitcher whenever he is on base. That's why agree they need to get on base at a decent clip but the threat to steal drives pitchers crazy. Especially in today's game with so many people following the James rule where spped doesn't matter, the ones who can create a distraction are even more effective. Even having the player caught stealing wore the pitcher down more by having him throwing over to first (which wears a pitcher out more with the twisting motion). This will effect the overall game that doesn't sho up in the number of runs scored, OBP and whatever else you want to analyze. In the end getting the pitcher out of the game sooner may be more effective. OBP from the leadoff spot is obviously important because he will have on average more plate appearances than anyone else, but how much of a difference do you need to negate the effect of the speed is a real conundrum. It is also one that polarizes people, they either think it helps or don't. I for one believe it has a great impact on the game. The scenario you state above should only happen early in games to get a lead or toward the end of close games when one run truly matters. The theory that a player like podsednik causes the pitcher a distraction and will just make him throw continuous meatballs is a fallacy. I have heard (and seen with my very own eyes) many of times that the ''distraction'' a ''speedster'' makes throws off many of hitters. There is a good chance they will get down in the count due to them worrying about that ''speedster'' getting over, get thrown off by when a pitch is actually coming (some pitchers with throw over 3-4 times in a row). Basically it is a two way street and no one can definitively say a base stealing threat will always end up benifitting the teams ''getting in the head factor/distraction'' it is just unrealistic.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 27, 2008 -> 02:17 PM) No way Jermaine Dye hits 36 HR's... I'd sooner believe that Gavin Floyd and John Danks will be be 20 game winners and back to back in the CY Young voting... Still same ol' jeckle... good to know.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Jan 24, 2008 -> 02:25 PM) More trash TV. Why can't they ever come up with anything decent? Why does it have to be crappy reality shows or game shows? The general public simply loves it and cannot get enough of it (including many here at soxtalk) sadly.

Host is a die hard cubs fan.... what else could you expect? Controlled is definitely correct...

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 15, 2008 -> 04:51 PM) aww, I have been one-upped. I have both puked on my pants and pissed myself, but they were not in the same night. That woulda been sweet. How about when your sister's boyfriend was over...? You know... when you were playing darts with the family... Get on aim whenever you see this btw...

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Jan 15, 2008 -> 08:38 PM) Isn't Mark Summers OCD? Ya he has ocd and related to greasy i believe...

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jan 10, 2008 -> 10:15 AM) They are both legendary and created by me. I really re-sized those sausage nips big time... we need to resurrect that on this board for Slav or something. That'd be more suitable anyway. BURN Ya, but i googled it for him... and he actually still uses it on another site...

Soxtalk has been my home page basically since i signed up to it... not sure what that means about myself....

I will sign up on the message board later on today zoom...

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 03:47 PM) Freddie Garcia will probably not be ready to pitch until midseason at the earliest from what most of the reports I've read have said. And from what we've seen of Freddo in the past, how confident are people that he'll be willing to put in the work and conditioning to get himself into shape for that deadline? Josh Fogg might be a reasonable gamble. Threw 165 innings last year. No idea what he's asking for $wise. Had an ERA near 5 last year but that was carried by Coors. ERA of 4.15 away from Coors. I still favor giving the ball to the guys we have and realizing that we still have a line of 7 or 8 potential starters this year, but that's not the worst idea I've ever heard, depending on the $$. Blame josh fogg and josh fogg only for sucking... we sign josh fogg and we can only be regressing. QUOTE(The Beast @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 03:51 PM) I'm going to ignore that comment. I like Fogg. There's just something about him that I liked when he was with us back in the day. If he can take a number 3 role that puts Contreras lower in the rotation, I would be willing to take a flier on him, and I am agreeing with you about the $$ aspect. Josh fogg as our number three? He should not even be considered for the rotation... would be a waste of someone getting some major league experience. Fogg putting up a sub 6 era in this park/league would be a feat from how i see it.

QUOTE(Brian @ Dec 26, 2007 -> 04:32 PM) Is this what your phone company said? My dad did the same thing and he took his phone in, explained what happened, and they only charged him $50 for a new phone. Ya, a refurbished phone.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 10, 2007 -> 04:59 PM) Anyone ever see Crash......the 1996 movie? It's pretty f***ed up. Spader likes that type of s***.. Sex, lies, and videotape...

This just might be a 20 page thread...

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 03:42 PM) He's actually been a pretty damn good reliever for his past 230 innings or so; maybe you need to look at his history. Talk about an inning eater... most innings out of the pen in the last two seasons that i know of (178 and 2/3 innings).

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 30, 2007 -> 02:09 PM) Monday-Wednesday? I know for a fact they start Monday, just not sure when they end. November 20 - NL Most Valuable Player Award announced December 1 - Last day for teams to offer salary arbitration to their former players who became free agents. December 3 - Hall of Fame Veterans Committee voting announced December 3-6 - Baseball Winter Meetings - Nashville, Tennessee December 6 - Major League Rule V Draft - Nashville, Tennessee December 7 - Last day for free agents offered salary arbitration to accept the offers. December 12 - Last day for teams to offer 2008 contracts to unsigned players.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 29, 2007 -> 07:41 PM) I think McD bounces back this year. I think with the pressure off of him, he will relax a little more and have some success. Pressure? Last season? I always hear about this so called thing ''pressure''. Macdougal being a vet should have had even less pressure on him. There were not any realistic options all over the place... or even in the orginzation to put that pressure on him to the point that he had the season he had. Logically no one was gonna walk in and steal macdougals spot in the pen for good. Scrub after scrub was brought up/in and nothing ever got any better... there was no pressure. I could see you saying that if we brought in/up threee studs that pitched at least half a season of dominance. If the royals are never in a pressure situation how could the sox have been with one of the worst records in baseball? It is a two way street.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 29, 2007 -> 06:38 PM) Im going to save this one. Put them both in a set up role and its not even close. Go for it. I saved this thread before i even posted. Thought it was hilarious. QUOTE(bigruss22 @ Nov 29, 2007 -> 06:56 PM) And its been seen in the players that we have traded for from bad organizations, Mac, Masset, Sisco, etc., they dont perform as well as players who are more familiar with the pressure atmosphere and therefore can deal with it better. Macdougal? His first ''full'' season in the league he had a 4.08 era with 27 saves and blew 8 of them. He walked 32 out of 64 innings pitched and gave up 64 hits... all of which contributed to him being an all-star i am sure. In 2005 he slightly improved but nothing worth noting. He has always been the type of pitcher that you don't know what you are gonna get... each and every single outing. Has the ability to be lights out for a short time span... but overall he has always been too erratic. He has a whip of nearly 1.5 for his career... nearly walking one per every two innings... more hits than innings pitched... but ya he was superb before he got here. What pressure did he have in 2007? What is your excuse for him pitching as well as he did ''in'' pressure in 2006 while the sox were fighting for a playoff spot? Oops. Masset... sisco? They are not even worth discussing because i don't even know what you were trying getat by mentioning them.

Linebrink and riske are nearly the same exact thing given their enviroment. The two flip leagues and it will not even make it close. Riske> linebrink. Riske has never been on a team where the park favors the pitcher... while linebrink has thrived in the best pitchers park in the majors. Both have the knack for keeping you on the edge of your seat. All that i have seen in this thread is cwsguy does not watch the games blah blah blah... how many games have any of you watched linebrink pitch in the last 8 seasons? I am sure for the majority it is less than what you saw riske pitch in 2006 for the white sox. Woooooooooooooooooooh that is a feces load!!!! YAYAYAYA. Damn though, i forgot riske cannot pitch in pressure situations and his entire season last year should be written off the books because he played for the royals last season. Linebrink clearly is just than much superior because he because he played on a winning team. Forgot all about that? Wite should have reminded me. What a dumbass. This is why i avoided the linebrink thread because i figured it would have been full of nonsense.

I say this is one of the top three days in white sox history.

Gonna read this thread and get back to you guys. As it stands now... killing cabrera looks like the only option.

Anything open? I am not experienced but i will give it a try...

QUOTE(Shadows @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 07:05 PM) Jesus, can we stop using "professional basketball players" when talking about the WNBA.. Have you even watched it? They are terrible. I guess you guys seem to think its me and four other of my friends who are just trying to talk s*** about this or whatever. Thats not the case, but this is a scenario that is never going to happen. So its pointless arguing about it. I just know that we could beat them, nothing will change my mind about that. Only one of us played for our high school, and I do believe he had some interest from smaller schools.. The rest of us were playing other sports. You don't have a damn clue about how talented or athletic I am, or my friends. So please don't try and talk down on me here by assuming I am just talking s***. Anyways, like I said.. its never gonna happen so why even continue this argument? Were just gonna go back and forth talking about a game that will never be played.. That's fine... but i am just curious. How many shots do you take a day? How many regulation games per week?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:02 PM) Wilson hit .409 the past 2 months of 2007. Didn't he get benched by the Pirates earlier? He had nagging injuries throughout the year... all that i know of. QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:10 PM) Is PNC Park meant to be a hitters park or a pitchers park also? I can't remember (I think it maybe a hitters park), but I'm just trying to find out if there's some potential for Wilson to improve his numbers if he moved to the Cell. I think he's been used as a #2 hitter quite a bit as well, which is a need for this offense, unless you want Fields in the #2 spot again (which I certainly don't). Pnc is a pitchers park. Wilson is best suited to bat 8th in the national league. He will get better pitches to hit in the 8th spot rather than the two hole. My guess is he would struggle worse than ever in the a.l. batting in the two hole. He is just too awful to think about.

QUOTE(StatManDu @ Nov 4, 2007 -> 08:39 AM) THIS DATE IN WHITE SOX HISTORY For more, visit www.whitesoxalmanac.com 1929: The White Sox purchased outfielder Smead Jolley from San Francisco of the Pacific Coast League for $50,000. Jolley, who ranks third all-time with a .366 lifetime minor league average, went on to have one of the great rookie campaigns in White Sox history in 1930. Patrolling left and center fields, the left-handed hiting Arkansan hit .313 with still-standing club rookie records in hits (193) and RBIs (114). Jolley also led the A.L. with 17 outfield assists but he also made 14 errors. It was his defense – or lack thereof – that limited Jolley’s playing time in 1931 and 1932 where he played just 66 games. His colorful career at 35th and Shields ended when the Sox traded him to Boston early in the 1932 season. Smead was one of the greats... lots of stories out there about him. The man had two seasons back to back (1928-1929) with over 300 hits in the pacific coast league.