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QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 19, 2010 -> 04:51 PM) We should probably wait before we start patting KW on the back for his strategy. If Damon ends up signing a 1 year deal for 6 million with the Tigers because the Sox pulled out, then KW's move will have backfired. I wonder if this is all about the deffered money still. He might get his 1 year 7 mil from detroit, but now he might have to settle for a large chunk of it differed simply becuase there is no other offer on the table. So be it now.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 19, 2010 -> 04:49 PM) I think you're wrong. I think its pretty obvious that this is the direction the organization is heading

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Feb 19, 2010 -> 04:43 PM) "ESPN.com's Buster Olney hears that Scott Boras wants two things from the Tigers. First, he's asking them to remove all deferred money from the one-year $7MM deal they have offered. Second, he wants the Tigers to add a second year (Twitter links)." Not going to happen with the Sox and Braves out of it.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Feb 19, 2010 -> 04:39 PM) Especially after Damon calls and accepts KW's terms. I dont think thats the way it works, the agent works for the player. He tell Boras and boras makes the call.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 19, 2010 -> 04:35 PM) KW said there is always another move to make. There was no money for Matsui or Johnson because they are strictly DH's and don't fit into the philosophy the Sox are going with this year. Damon would still have allowed them to rotate players between the DH, OF and 1B. This would not be possible with the other two. THE WHITE SOX ARE NOT GOING TO SIGN A DH ONLY PLAYER. 100% correct, I dont think we will ever see another slow, lift and pull, all or nothing slugger filling the DH position for this team for a very long time

I wanted Damon I thought he would be a nice addition, but this is ridicolous. There was virtually no market for this guy and spring training starts in less than 48 hours and Boras is dragging this thing out doing lord knows what for some reason. The fact that he hasnt signed given 3 interested teams in the last two weeks is ridicolous. I really believe JR now when he says dealing with Boras is a pain because he simply drags things out. How would you like if you got your college acceptance letter two days before the 1st day of class. This is a joke.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Feb 19, 2010 -> 04:29 PM) Friday is the new Sunday. If we have $6M then not only did Kenny lie about not being able to afford Matsui or Johnson, but he way overstated how broke the Sox were. And there's no f***ing way Damon was going to bring in more revenue than Mr. Japanese Baseball Hideki Matsui. Most likely KW was going to use the money for a midseason acquisition to acquire Damon thats all.

MLBTR is reporting that the White Sox have pulled their for Damon off the table. ITS OVER PEOPLE!!!

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 19, 2010 -> 12:33 AM) I don't mind the Hank Blalock idea people are throwing out there if Damon indeed falls through, although he can't run. While I agree with you that Damon is a short time filler player, I simply can't buy the idea of an AL team whose best DH option is Andruw Jones (or maybe a Jones/Kotsay platoon, I guess) making the playoffs. Ya know there is something to be said that Andruw Jones did hit 17 Hr's in 281 AB's. Now put him at USCF with short porches and give him say 500 AB's, thats about 30 HR out of the DH position. Not bad right, last year Thome hit 23.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 18, 2010 -> 05:54 PM) If you've heard what I've heard, you'd know that it would be foolish to give up on Adrian. The Sox have tried on multiple occasions and as of now the asking price is too high in their minds. That could change though, you never know. Hes gonna get like at least 5 Years 75 Mil, if not 6 years 100 Mil. There is no way the sox get involved.

Im in..prefer to get into a keeper league if thats possible.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 17, 2010 -> 09:46 PM) Bruce Levine doesn't know anything, and never really has. Getting JR involved in the negotiations definitely isn't status quo. Bruce Levine never has any breaking or inside information

If we do a simple NPV calculation in excel we can see the present value of a contract that has differed payments. Lets assume a discount rate of 6% (.06) and up front money of 4Mil with 3M paid out in 5 years. Use =NPV(.06,4,0,0,0,0,3) = $5.89M would be the present value You can tinker with it. Lets assume a discount rate of 9% (.09) and up front money of 4Mil with 3M paid out in 5 years. Use =NPV(.09,4,0,0,0,0,3) = $5.46M would be the present value Lets assume a discount rate of 8% (.08) and up front money of 3Mil with 4M paid out in 5 years. Use =NPV(.08,3,0,0,0,0,4) = $5.30M would be the present value Basically you can see that anything to get him around $7M contract with upfront payment of about $3-$4M is gonna cost in today dollars on the budget something around $5.5M. So you have to assume the sox have around that much sitting around for an extra player (the DH), or a mid season acquisition.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 17, 2010 -> 05:40 PM) No, that wouldn't be right either, well who knows. I'm thinking more on the finance side of what a PV calculation entails. But if you gave him 4M up front with 2M deferred over the next 5 years, the value of the entire contract in todays values might be right around 4.5M. Who knows, either way, I could see this making a whole lot of sense. Depends on the discount rate and the amount of time to payout. If they are paying $2.5M over 10 years with a high discount rate 8-10%, the present value in todays dollars is probably very low. If they paying the deffered money with a low discount rate and over just a couple years and the PV in todays dollars is probably much higher.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 17, 2010 -> 05:36 PM) Yep. Probably $4.5M salary for the 2010 season then another $2M-$2.5M over the next 3-5 seasons. Doesnt it seem strange that a team like the sox; who usually are very fiscally responsible, who usually never operate in the Red, who probably have pulled a profit in each of the last several years, and who have seen their value rise significantly this decade, are having to differ a couple million bucks because of budget restraints. You would think a couple million wouldnt really be a problem at all, now 20M thats a different story.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Feb 17, 2010 -> 05:31 PM) I don't understand the big hang-up on deferred money, especially if you're already mega-rich like Damon. If they're legally-obligated to pay you, you'll still get it. Im not sure about this but there is something to be said if the deffered money is paid with our without interest. I assume if the sox pay lets say $2.5M over 5 years than damon would want that with interest so he collects extra $$ and accounts for inflation.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Feb 17, 2010 -> 09:43 AM) I hope not! I doubt it will reach me in Rockford. MLB audio on the internet is making it less important. It would suck for the car. I've listened to the Sox on the Score on a long drive to St. Louis from Rockford and was able to keep the station well past Springfield IL. It would be short sighted. Even if they get more cash from the station, they would lose the long reach thell past my bedtime to hear the Sox play on the west coast. The more people you can get the games to, the more game attending, jersey buying fans you canat AM radio provides long distance fans. I still remember when I was a kid listening to WMAQ on a transistor radio under my pillow (no headphones yet) w get. NO to FM. I agree the last thing I want is to lose my ability to listen to sox games when Im driving to Purdue to visit friend or Champaign to visit my sister. That would suck.

Chris Widger

QUOTE (BlackSox @ Feb 16, 2010 -> 10:46 PM) I'm pretty sure that 122,000 number only includes people in the Chicago DMA, which is roughly the area that TV & FM radio stations reach. I don't think people outside the Chicago DMA are included in the ratings or cumulative audience figures. Right so its even higher, espeically given all the Chicagoans (and students) transplanted to regional cities; champaign , South Bend, Lafayette, Rockford, Quad Cities, etc.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Feb 16, 2010 -> 07:38 PM) And a lot of that long-range signal is dependent on the time of day and the weather, which makes it incredibly unreliable at times. Not to mention that much of Illinois, Northern Indiana, and Eastern Iowa have their own local Sox affiliates. I suppose that they could simulcast the signals on AM and FM (like the ESPN affiliate in my city). But, especially now in the age of internet streaming and out-of-market cable/satellite sports packages, AM radio in general is on its way out. It's an inferior format with inferior sound quality, and I'm not surprised that the Sox are considering a switch. Yea but you are speaking to our generation, we utilize these things and in fact depond on them at this point. Do you really think your parents would prefer to use streaming media on phones, blackberry's, PDA's, and computers vs just turning on the radio. NO WAY!!

QUOTE (WCSox @ Feb 16, 2010 -> 04:43 PM) You make a good point here, but there are other factors as well. The first is the inherently superior FM signal (as long as it's within range). The second is that the AM signal is there, but is often spotty hundreds of miles away. You can get the game down in Lafayette, IN, but the signal sounds like crap. And for this reason, there are often local AM affiliates that carry the game (hence, the White Sox Radio Network). Thirdly, anybody anywhere in the country can get a season's worth of internet/iPhone radio casts for $15 via MLB.com. Because of these factors, I imagine that the powers-that-be are more interested in improving local signal quality, as the out-of-area people are already taken care of. The Sox have only been on The Score since 2006. They were on AM 1000 (WMVP) for much longer than that and it's not like they didn't promote the Sox at all. IIRC, one of the rumored reasons that Rooney left was because The Score couldn't (or wouldn't) pay him what he wanted. I remember went I went to Purdue I couldn't get AM-1000 down there, as soon as they switched to 670 it came in fine. Driving around the Midwest 670 is much much stronger of a signal and thats not just for people living out of town, its for Chicagoans that find themselves in and around the regional area quite frequently. Lots of us find ourselves driving to places like South Bend, New Buffalo, Lafayette, Madison, Milwaukee, Lake Geneva, Quad Cities, Champaign, Peoria etc and only with 670 can we receive white sox broadcasts. There are even locations where atmospheric bounce can rely the signal to hundreds of miles away such as the example of finding the station in Nashville, TN. Its the same thing, im saying the aspect of the intangible revenue and interest drawn to the sox from their affiliation with major sports stations in this city should not be overlooked, either 670 or AM 1000, it doesn't matter.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 16, 2010 -> 03:50 PM) Cashman came out and said the Yankees offerred 2 years/14 million. So basically Boras didnt think that was a good enough offer at the time, but it now reaching for that contract. There is a likelihood he is trying to at least get Damon that contract from someone which is why there is so much media chatter. If Chipper Jones is restructuring his contract to differ money then this is a direct move to get Damon his 1 Year 7 Mil deal he wants. Rumor has it Damon's wife wants nothing to do with detroit, and if the sox dont go to 6-7M while the braves do, then we will be a brave for 2010.

QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 16, 2010 -> 02:35 PM) If it means replacing Farmer, I'm all for it. Wait u think DJ deserves a job on the radio before Farmer. Please tell me ur kidding.

NO WAY!! Im all for the creation of this sports talk station on FM, but FM for sports sucks. There is a reason the sox draw 122,000 people to their radio station and its becuase they are on a powerful 50,000 Watt AM station that can be heard hundreds of miles away. Why on earth would the team limit its broadcasts to the immediate 75 miles of the city, they would be reducing their listening audience. And part of glamour of the the sox on the radio is their affiliation with the most popular and listened to sports station in town. Their affiliation with the score and their personalities makes the sox on the radio what it is, and its makes them talked about on the score daily. Not to mention the tons of promotions, affiliations, and contests that the score does for all things sox related. There is no way to tell how much more revenue all that intangible stuff really drives to the sox. Severing this relationship at this point would seem extremely foolish.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 13, 2010 -> 08:36 PM) The Cell though would likely be a downgrade from that launching pad that is RF in the Yankee Stadium. It might even be a downgrade from RF in the old Yankee Stadium. Yeah but those doubles or even outs hit to the 385 foot gap at Yankee Stadium are now homers at USCF 372 foot gap. Its a balancing act.