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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) With Peavy's contract cleared out, things are almost guaranteed to look better. Who replaces Peavy?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 11:41 AM) The odds of everything going right next year aren't worse than the odds of all the failures we saw this year. I think you've hit on the 2012 marketing slogan.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 11:37 AM) Doubtful indeed. The Sox will be unloading productive pieces soon as well. Couple that with questions marks all over the roster, and I fear this team will need almost everything to go right in order to be competitive next season. Yep and don't even look at 2013.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 11:02 AM) Ugh. I hope Kenny is just posturing/placating the fans here. Limiting yourself to MLB ready talent only is an awful idea. I think there a pretty good chance that's what he's doing. The Sox are such a mess right now that there are no palatable answers.

Theo bailed because that Boston ship is sinking. Big pitching problems and big contracts.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 10:43 AM) Williams states that he will move his guys for major league ready talent only, and then in the second paragraph states that he'll have to see what teams are willing to give up and that they may have to trade today's talent for tomorrow's talent, implying somehow that he is trading for A or AA players. I don't believe that to be the case but rather that he's simply suggesting that he is trading today's currently good players for tomorrow's currently good players, but tomorrow's currently good players are still major league ready talent. Yep, that's what I see as the contradiction.

Kenny Williams on ESPN 1000 this morning: http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/ In the space of those two paragraphs, Kenny contradicted himself.

NESN >> Theo Epstein Resigns From Red Sox to Take Over as Cubs President of Baseball Operations It's official. Buckle up Kenny.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 21, 2011 -> 10:03 AM) With the numbers he put up, and the speed he moved through the organization? He'd get some mentions. No, he isn't going to set the BA crowd aflutter because he doesn't throw 98 or anything, but all the kid has done is win. You don't disagree that the Sox farm system is one of the worst in MLB, do you?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 21, 2011 -> 07:47 AM) And yet, if you look at the numbers for Morel and Flowers in the 2nd half of the year, they compare favorably to others at that position around the league. Flowers put up a .709 OPS as a rookie, AJ put up a .728 OPS. Brent Morel in the 2nd half put up a .759 OPS, which combined with his defense would make him one of the better 3b's in the AL. this is, of course, one of my pet peeves. Taking a guy who is a rookie who clearly needs development time and just assuming that they will never improve, that their numbers for their first 50 PA's are going to reflect their entire career. Hell, Axelrod was actually quite effective for this team, and the team isn't exactly relying on him to be their next #1 starter. Axelrod, come on. He'll be 27 next year and is nothing more than bullpen filler on a contending team. How many other minor league systems would even give mention of a guy like Axelrod?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 21, 2011 -> 07:56 AM) Especially when you watch the World Series and see Nick Punto in the starting line up for a team. Albert Pujols covers up a few problems I'd say.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) Now look man, this isn't an argument, it's a cheap shot at 2 different people. I just made a case for why our drafting has been acceptable for a period of at least 3-4 years...which would reflect on Kenny Williams...and that's your response? I don't want to defend Kenny, especially for that Hudson trade. But cheap shots always get a response. Come on now. The "you'll like this one ..." was a cheap shot at me!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) 3. One godawful trade with the D-Backs. (You'll like that one...you can take that as a direct shot at the person who pulled the trigger). Come on now you know Williams has been incompetent for the last three years. Even Southsider2K5 wouldn't be able to put together a defense for him. He would try though.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 01:00 PM) The Sox scouts have done IMO a pretty fair job of evaluating MLB level talent in the past few years...although last year's draft isn't impressing yet. Getting MLB level players in rounds 1, 3, and 5 in 2008, a number of guys with promise in 2009 (I still count Mitchell since scouts can't predict an injury like that, Holmberg, Thompson, Phegley again with the injury bug there), Sale and Reed as your starting point for 2010 (2 MLB ready pitchers within a year and a half). Fair enough.

Yes. And it's not close. RT @sdsufan5: @Kevin_Goldstein @Marc_Normandin @MWEinNC white sox? 19 minutes ago via TweetDeck FWIW, Goldstein has Sox system as worst "not close" too.

Is their any reason to have faith in the Sox amateur scouting staff? That needs to be improved before they open up the check book.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 12:46 PM) I'd be shocked if you said anything different. You think the farm system will be much better by April. Teams are going to be lining up for Danks, huh?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) It does lack depth in impact players, but I expect us to fill that up with the mass trading of our players this offseason. I disagree. I believe the return for the players the Sox trade will be underwhelming and disappoint a lot of people who think the farm system will be restocked.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 12:16 AM) Because if you're really a White Sox fan, and don't have an axe to grind, it should be easy to list good points about Kenny Williams. And, if you'll notice the last post, I also included the ubiquitous Greg since he called Cooper a rat/squealer, so I found a similar situation where an employee of the Sox went over the head of his direct boss at risk to his own career. Do you want me to start off with a short list of Ozzie Guillen "positives"? I am far from the least objective poster here.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Just want to see if you have the ability to be objective (or not). Why are you singling me out for my objectivity?

@jimcallisBA: #WhiteSox, no contest. @musiqboateng: which team has the worst farm system in the majors? Wow. No contest. I'd love to hear Buddy Bell or Kenny Williams' retort.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 02:06 PM) You know, guys, if you just don't reply to Marty and Greg, since they clearly care not for reasoning, then Ozzie simply goes away. Reasoning here on Soxtalk?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) Marty, I told you not to make me set him loose... I feel like the cop who has to send the wifebeating boyfriend back into the house because the abused girlfriend won't press charges because she thinks he loves her under it all. He is ruthless (cue ball in a sock type), if not illogical.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 12:44 PM) Ok. One piece of proof, right now, thats not a direct quote from Cowley or Ozzie, go. When you've united Balta, DA, SS2k5, Jordan, and Milk, you done f***ed up. Listen to Coop's most recent interview on 'SCR.

I can't believe Coop being a spy has angered so many people.