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Another disastrous second half collapse for Illinois

Don't think so

Shades of Miami there

Illinois looks bad. They are tied at half with a ranked team. Cool.

Winstons speech all about the incident. How dumb.

Try telling them that

Bovada isn't taking odds on who will win unfortunately. Mack Brown resigned from Texas. He probably didn't screw them over, but in the eyes of UT fans, he just tarnished his whole legacy by simply not resigning 7 days earlier.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 14, 2013 -> 10:31 PM) Ye have little faith. Just saying it's all threes first full seasons of facing MLB pitching. Last year's rookie of the year put up .293/.354/.478 and about 23 HRs over a full season. I think it's unfair to expect all 3 essentially put up rookie of the year caliber numbers. I know Eaton and Garcia aren't eligible and Abreu isn't your typical rookie, but my point it is really tough to just come in and put up those type of numbers

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 14, 2013 -> 09:17 PM) Not saying you're wrong but who do you think misses those marks? Probably all of them

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 14, 2013 -> 08:22 PM) Don't think my earlier post will truly come to fruition, I'm just merely having some fun with what ifs. I'm hoping for something in the realm of... Eaton- .275/.360 30-40 SBs Abreu- .290/.360 30 HRs Garcia- .270/.320 25 HRs If this happens book your playoff tickets now with any decent pitching. But yeah it's not happening.

Number one team underdogs vs an unranked? Free cheese

Where do you get those odds

My girlfriend loves watching the Real Housewives of God Knows What and The Kardashians too. I just refuse. Can't do it. Thankfully we watch plenty of good TV like Homeland and Shameless together. Probably the worst thing I tolerate is D list game shows. Actually I don't mind those.

I feel like rape charges are brought pretty often with just a woman's word. I could be wrong, but that's why I was surprised more wasnt done with Winston. They seem to have that, and a lot more on him.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 03:43 PM) Why do you not like this trade? I think it's a great trade. Honestly I have way too many posts in this thread and don't feel like starting over. I think both sides have been exhausted. I'm ready to see them play and prove me wrong.

I hate the trade, not the man. There's a difference.

Yes, Eaton will be very easy to hate if he doesn't succeed.

That is, yet again, giving Beckman credit for being absolutely horrible year one. He was so horrible, so stop giving him credit for improving a historically bad season for us. He should not be allowed to benefit for being inept. It's ultimately meaningless. And for the record, the buffoonery of fighting other coaches, sideline interferences and horrible interviews all occurred this year as well.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 06:11 AM) Because it goes to show you a coach can struggagainstears and then be able to turn it around. The argument started when 1-15 was brought up, as if that is never acceptable ever and immediately leads to a firing because no one will ever have success after it. That was proven false. It's really not that hard to comprehend. I still would love to know what your expectations were sitting in August of this year, and were they met? I also want to know what you are rooting for next year? You're one of those fans that seems to find joy in failure rather than success. Almost Cub-fan like. It's so easy being the FIRE THE COACH guy all day, every day. Yes, because looking at a one in a thousand coach who came into an even worse situation is dumb. Talk about your alltime cherrypick. The odds are massively against coaches who fail to win more than one conference game in their first two years, so bringing up past coaches is nothing more than a testament against Beckman. We've had the expectations discussion a bunch now. We're going in circles. I'm rooting for Illinois, as I always have.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) How many sideline interference penalties did Alvarez and Ferentz commit in their first two seasons? How many times did they get caught chewing dip during the game? Get in fights on the sidelines with other coaching members? Give cringeworthy interviews to the point where the listener is suffering from second hand embarrassment? No one should want this buffoon being a face of their university unless he can make up for it by winning at least 8 games a year...and we all know that isn't happening.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 05:30 AM) You'll dismiss anything that doesn't fit your OMG FIRE BECKMAN agenda. We get it. But to say it's irrelevant, LMAO. Illinois was a f***ing dumpster fire after that 2011 season, period. Because, seriously, who cares what a Wisconsin coach hired 24 years ago did? I mean, what? How is that remotely relevant? In support of my argument, I may as well bring up some obscure coach from the 80s who started terrible and was then fired for being terrible. Hell I bet there's a lot more of those thany Alvarez'. Bringing up one unrelated coach and trying to make some meaningful comparison is really really stretching it. In a long line of awful arguments siding with Beckman, this one has to BY FAR take the cake.

Wisconsin won less games the three years previous to Alvarez than Illinois won in 2011. lol at using that as any sort of justification for anything. Ridiculous.

No, they wouldn't be calling for his head if he was bringing in top recruiting classes. See Beckman immediately after getting Lunt. It saved his perception for...a week or two. As you yourself said at the time Lunt committed, it may save his job. Now multiply that effect by a bunch because it was a lot more than one player under Zook. That's why no one called for Zook's head then.

He played third in the minors

His point was simple. No one would be calling for Beckman's head if he was signing top recruits left and right.