fathom

Once again, his stuff sucks in the first inning. 91-92 mph fastballs

Must be nice to develop players that don't look horrendous when they are promoted

First inning Samardzija strikes again. How in the world is Ventura still managing this team?

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 12:23 AM) Sigh, not surprised. Same as it ever was... On a good team, Alexei would be batting 9th. Instead we see him 2nd or 6th

QUOTE (jeffro2525 @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 12:22 AM) Despicable at bat from Cabrera. Just sickening. First pitch to him is why he sucks this year. He can't turn on a fastball to save his life

Alexei rolls over on another good pitch to hit.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 12:33 AM) What a s***ty team we have :/ And organization

Comical how awful the pitching for the Pirates has been since they dominated Sox hitters.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) It is problem with drafted players, but we do much better in acquisitions. Even that though has been questionable of late. Eaton was good last year, and stinks this year (and of course, Hector Santiago is now pitching superb). Avi looks like a question mark as well going forward.

QUOTE (michelangelosmonkey @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:10 PM) Really THAT'S your take away? Which of the Cubs starters would you trade straight up for Rodon, Sale or even Q? Hammel's old. Lester is old and expensive. Arrieta's is 30 and has a season and a half of success. Hendricks isn't good. And the POINT wasn't are the Cubs good...which I think they are...but they built around hitting and their pitching, irrespective of team ERA is a bit shaky. The Sox will lose Shark off their payroll next year and with five cheap starting pitchers can go out and sign two or three high priced free agents to make the team better. Hammel is only 2 years older than Samardzija is. I would take Arrieta over Quintana, but Arrieta is about to become very expensive. You add David Price to those 3 next season, and they have the makings of a very good staff to go with what should be a studly offense.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:07 PM) Eh, if I had to choose between what would likely just be Bryant and lesser prospects vs a package of Schwarber/Edwards++ I think I'd go with the package of multiple studs. Underwood is their best pitching prospect, IMO. Edwards looks like he's going to be a reliever. I'd rather take the likely superstar in Bryant at a position the Sox have nothing good at (3B). With that said, they're not going to trade him.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) i have been passing on this, but i am too tempted. everyone is hyped about Bryant, why not Rizzo, Russell and Schwarber, forget about Vogelbach They're not trading Rizzo...or Bryant, IMO I think they'll go after someone like Sonny Gray and offer Schwarber and Baez, etc.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 07:49 PM) Hey man, the logic behind the move will always be sound but for whatever reason it didn't/probably won't work out.TM Davidson yes, Molina absolutely no

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 07:55 PM) I agree. I think the premise from Cameron is awful. Trade everyone and blow up, no. But it might make sense to trade one of the cost controlled guys and Q would probably be the best bet. I would have to get blown away though (3 top prospects, 2 of which are top 50 guys). Small market (and big market teams) can both be players, which increases potential return, imo. I think between Shark and Q, we should be able to land 4 top 100 guys and 2 top 50 guys, but again, I might be delirious (plus some other fill in's). I still say a trade centered around Puig and a top prospect from Dodgers could make a ton of sense for Sox. If you're going to trade everyone and blow it up, you might as well deal Rodon as well. If you are waiting 3-5 years to compete, he's going to be close to free agency by the time the team is good again. So yes, I agree blowing it up is a bad idea.

QUOTE (michelangelosmonkey @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:53 PM) I don't know why the extreme pessimism on this site...and Cameron is an idiot for talking about getting rid of Sale. The Cubs went into the tank for years and used it to build up a darn good potential lineup...but they have no pitching. The Sox, with a bit of luck, could have Sale, Rodon, Eric Johnson, Q and Fulmer and have maybe three 1's and two 2's...all under 27. All cheap. Sure they have holes at 2b, 3b, SS, C but they don't need STARS there. They need a team that can score four runs a game and play good defense. 4th in the NL with a 3.49 ERA, and they have a ridiculous amount of resources now to attract a top of the rotation starter.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:49 PM) Wasn't Paddy influential with the Santos trade? Molina had awesome numbers but he was ranked fairly down the Blue Jays prospect list. IIRC during the teleconference discussing the trade, KW was under the impression he was playing in the Winter League, which he was not, and he was using his numbers from a year earlier when he was. The trades turn out to be nothing for nothing but the point I was making was that doesn't mean no harm no foul. When you don't have a ton of assets, you need to get something when you are giving them up. Of course it hurts, as it's a waste of resources the Sox had.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:51 PM) Chris Sale helping the Cubs to a WS would be a devastating blow to this White Sox fan. There is no way if I am Rick Hahn, I would trade Sale to the Cubs unless it was the overpay of all overpays. +10000000000000000000000

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:46 PM) With the rotation set up we have, and Fulmer on the way, if anyone goes, Q makes the most sense by far. It would be splendid if Johnson can come up in a month or so and earn the 5th starter spot for next year. It's not likely, but much more possible than it was heading into the season.

It's crazy how both the Santos and Reed trades worked out. The Sox sold at the perfect time on both of the guys, with both of them turning into bad pitchers. It's just too bad the scouting part of the return in the trade failed. Molina was simply a terrible idea by the organization, as not many people even viewed him as a starter when he was acquired. Not only that, but most teams didn't know Santos was available, and judging by other closers that were traded that offseason, it seems a higher return was very possible. As far as Davidson goes, I think it was a good risk, but unfortunately it appears something happened between 2013 and 2014 and Davidson hasn't been able to recover. I do think they should give him a shot after they sell away players next month, as it wouldn't hurt to see if something can click at the big league level. There's not a lot of use in having him repeat AAA for a 3rd season next year.

With Zimmerman hurt, I really would like to see the Sox try to unload LaRoche back to Washington. They love him there, and it wouldn't shock me if some of their struggles are due to missing his leadership. Getting out of his remaining salary would be a nice start at creating payroll flexibility.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 05:12 PM) Yet, you think they'll give up Stroman for a rental? No clue, but wouldn't shock me if Hoffman is viewed as a potential ace by Toronto, and Stroman more as a middle rotation type guy.

The Cubs a few years ago hired the Vandy pitching coach based off of his track record. Definitely won't hurt them when they go after Price this offseason.

Personally, I'd ask for Grandal, Seager and Urias for Sale and Danks. Wouldn't mind getting a quality starting catcher and 2 of the top 5 prospects in all of baseball while freeing up money with Danks gone.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 03:46 PM) Hinrich for Boogie. done Well, there's a good chance Thibs will become the Kings coach sometime in the next few years given their owner's love of firing guys.

Great article on Fulmer. Needless to say, Vandy doesn't expect him not to sign http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/cws...mmodores-brink/