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I look forward to Hawk going apes*** in about a minute.

Haha, there was fielder interference. We're not going to like this.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:24 PM) That and Josh Fields uncanny ability to miss every fastball by 3-4 inches. They need a new timing mechanism for him. I'm not too upset with him so far, as at least the ball flies off of his bat.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:22 PM) Look KW is just going to sit back for awhile and scout teams and find the best package he can. Might be a day might be a week or two weeks, but buerhle will go and it will be the start of a new era. I also believe there will be more trades after Buerhle. Dye for sure when he gets back from the DL. I for one am enjoying this Me too...if we were going to be bad this year, we should be thankful we're this bad, and not .500 bad. I just fear for some of my fellow posters, as they're going to be shocked at what the packages we get back are compared to their proposals. Between you and me, is JimH still alive after this season?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:22 PM) I don't recall saying 2-0 is dumb to swing at, because it's a good pitch to hit most of the time. But to our hitters, a good pitch to hit is usually fouled off or popped up. 2-0 is the best pitch to hit....the hitters just suck this year.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:21 PM) BOOOOOONE Would you agree that Logan's loogy ability might be the best thing we've seen from the team this year?

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:20 PM) Hey Ken Griffey Jr. is available? Yep, and he might be coming to Chicago!

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:18 PM) 110 games in 04, 77 games in 06? And how many starts in LF, like 5?

Don't look now, but we're going to have a familiar person in CF.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:14 PM) You're still on that s***? Wow. Dude, Ozzie could have done that 10,000 times and the injury wouldn't have happened. But now that it did, OZZIE MAKES THE f***ING LINEUPS OMG !#%!@!!!! Yikes. The reason I'm on that is because all offseason, we were talking about how much we sucked against LHP. We actually upgraded our roster to hit lefties, and then Ozzie made, which I believe, a stupid decision to try and get him an inning at a position he's not familiar with. We've been brutal against lefties this year...I had no idea Iguchi's lefty numbers had been as bad as it has this year. With the lefties in our division, we really need a new 2b/SS combo next year.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:13 PM) My goodness. All you do is clump Ozzie and KW together all the time. None of it is Ozzie's fault. He's the one who said "Get Gload out of here and get me that tall flamethrower from the Royals." Come on fathom. What the heck is wrong with you? Nope, he's the one who never gave Gload a shot to prove what he can do as a leadoff hitter when Pods was horrible during the 2nd half last year. KW and Ozzie should be clumped together, as they're the two people making all the decision on and off the field.

Non-Ozzie debate: I heard a funny comment from Allen Thomas, our strength coach. He said the Sox are notorious for finishing the season strong.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:08 PM) Andy Gonzalez, Jerry Owens, Brett Prinz, Andrew Sisco, Gustavo Molina, Alex Cintron. There are all layers who have been on our roster this year. f*** you Ozzie, for getting s*** and making s***-ade. I wouldn't use Sisco and Molina in your argument, as those were two players that had a direct connection to Ozzie's managing. However, it's games like today that make me appreciate that Toby Hall got some practice at 1B during spring training. And FWIW, Cintron's been all but begging to get put on the DL all season, but Ozzie doesn't want to due to having no other back-up SS. I've never said this is all Ozzie's fault. Him and KW have had a horrendous season.

0 for the series by AJ....it's too bad we can't trade him for Murton/Patterson.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:03 PM) fathom, in can you in any feasible way blame Ozzie for the utter s***tiness of this team. We get the f***ing point. You don't like Ozzie. It's his fault we suck. He's a terrible manager. Congrats. But please, don't try to tell other people he is a bad manager because he has s*** players to make a lineup with. Please, don't try to tell people he is a bad manager because no matter who he calls out of the bullpen is going to get shelled. Get over yourself and get off Ozzie's back already. Do you think GP, myself, and others don't know that our team is terrible? Guess what, we do. But unfortunately for you, Ozzie Guillen is not the GM. He does not acquire the players on the 15 man roster. He might make suggestions, he might have a say as to the type of players he wants, but he certainly did not ask for this s***ty 25 man roster. Do you really think he went to KW and said "I want a bunch of .210 hitters who swing for the fences and play bad defense. Go get 'em Kenny!" All I'm saying is that if he has such a tough time managing this personnel, then maybe he's not the right person for this team. I always said he was the perfect person for 2005 due to the players we had on them, and how we had to manufacture runs. However, he wasn't the manager for 2006, as bunting/small ball with that personnel was dumb. I'll get off Ozzie's back when he stops looking incompetent out there.

Good start Jose....I hope you're traded before your next start, and I'll always remember you for 2005.

I don't care if Aramis K's here, this is so idiotic.

Shouldn't you walk Aramis here, and bring in Logan for Floyd? I'm happy to see MacDougal warming up, as hopefully that means he won't be the one dealt for J. Jones.

After this game, I think I'll be happier if the Brewers win than the Sox win (and if people call me a bad fan for this, so be it).

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 07:55 PM) Nope, but he certainly doesn't have 100% say, like you make it seem he does. Yep, I've said all along Ozzie has 100 pct say on the roster. I really wonder how bad things would have to get before people like yourself and GP start wondering about our leadership. This has to be the lowest point in over a decade for this organization.

Well, at least we let that piece of s*** dominate us this week. What an awful pitch there. At least Contreras has pitched well enough to get his trade value up a little. Keep throwing him fastballs though....he can't hit them.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 07:52 PM) I bet you it was the stupid Ozzie who started negotiations. We all know he dictates who the 25 man roster is. I'll ask you this one time, as the excuses are getting ridiculous: do you think Ozzie has zero say on what the roster is?

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 07:52 PM) Pagan just robbed Paulie of a long single..... get over it Yep....would have hurt a lot more if we had someone on base. How can anyone say that was a good play? He misplayed a routine fly ball.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 07:51 PM) I honestly think Kenny and Ozzie made a deal with the devil to get 1 title for this team. We will suck forever now. That's fine with me.

Cubs having one of the luckier defensvie games I've ever seen.