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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 11:29 PM) Because he'll never be good enough offensively It will be interesting to see if Chavez wins the Gold Glove this year. This was one of his best defensive years, but he was terrible offensively. QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 11:29 PM) It makes plenty of sense, you are just extremely close minded. Once again, I like what he brings to the table. Once again, I don't believe he has any value on the trade market. And I was just about to commend you on being respectful to us White Sox fans in this debate.

There's always a team like the Nationals who will give up the farm for a certain type of player.

There are definitely some teams that wouldn't mind a good defensive SS with some pop who only makes 4.5 million. Of course, I think it's more likely that Uribe is packaged with either Garcia or Buehrle.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 07:38 PM) Rodriguez is payed $16 million by the Yankees, as a short stop that's a relatively fair price. Crede, Garcia for Alex Rodriguez is a fair deal for both teams and it makes a boatload of sense. Yep, it really does. Anyone who thinks that we'll get him for anything less than that is fooling themselves. ARod would be a guaranteed 40 homers a year playing at the Cell.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 07:43 AM) The Yankees build their team on paper. Doesn't always work that way. Sounds like another team I know this season.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 04:14 AM) Our pitching was brutal to being with. Adding a butcher to the infield is NOT going to help. Very questionable attitude also for Lopez.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 04:10 AM) Yankee fans hate A-Rod. Ranger fans hate A-Rod. Why would we want him to ruin our team as well? Makes no sense. He makes way too much more than any current White Sox and as such will be a major distraction. Let him rot in New York please. How dare he be one of the best players in the history of baseball, especially if he's playing at SS. You say he defines losing, even though his postseason numbers aren't terrible. Jim Thome has been on more talented teams in his career, and he hasn't won a World Series. Does he define losing?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 01:21 AM) He's a player that warrants that kind of talk. I'm sorry but I'm just drooling over the possibility of Arod on this team and imo it's not a pipe dream at all. Of course...if you look around, I started, or at least I think I did, the talk about ARod a few days ago. He'd be a great fit for this team, to be honest. QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 01:22 AM) I know I'm not the biggest sox know it all, but why crede? I know the Yanks would love him, but seems like the sox or angels would holding the cards in this one. my guess would be high level prospects to retool the yanks system and vasquez. Yep, I'm sure the Yankees would love to have Vazquez back. Maybe we could sign David Wells then to take his place.

10/7/06.....the day this site became ARodtalk.com

Will someone please explain to me why Gardenhire was so intent on playing smallball today, when he has a pitcher on the mound who clearly has no shot of shutting down the opponent?

QUOTE(AirScott @ Oct 6, 2006 -> 08:00 PM) Pods isn't a pathetic bunter, he could be better, and he should try to bunt himself on more. personally, if I were going to get rid of Pods, it'd be because I'm tired of seeing him strike out looking. For a supposed"spped" player, his bunting is not acceptable.

QUOTE(AirScott @ Oct 6, 2006 -> 07:53 PM) I wouldn't say he'd prefer Ichiro, no strings attached. but you'd have to give up someone for Ichiro. honestly, why not stick with Pods if you're signing Pierre? bring in someone else, they're essentially the same player. if Pods can get healthy (if indeed he's injured, which is my theory), then it's pointless to sign Pierre. Because Pierre can play Ozzieball, while Pods can't. Look at everything Ozzie is saying in the press: he wants guys who can bunt and make contact. Pods is a PATHETIC bunter, and he K's way too much for someone with no power.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Oct 6, 2006 -> 07:44 PM) Laying the blame at the feet of Mack is a fallacy, IMO, particularly when we know that starting pitching and the bullpen killed the season. Those extra runs and outs that happened due to Mackowiak playing CF didn't help them at all. There were many instances where a misplay by Mackowiak resulted in a blow-up by our starting pitchers. I'm not blaming Mackowiak for the blow-up, but if we had a legit MLB CF on the field, things might have been different.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 6, 2006 -> 08:53 AM) Mulder is a fa. I'm a big fan of Anthony Reyes but Buehrle is worth a hell of a lot more than that. Anthony Reyes might be the most overrated player on soxtalk. He had a great game against us, but his ERA ended up being way too high (5.06), and he's had a history of injury issues. Flat out, the Cardinals don't have the pieces for the Sox to trade with.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2006 -> 12:01 AM) I really, really don't like having to chant "Steroids" at people playing on the White Sox. So we can't get Bonds to leadoff and play LF next year?

How about this for someone who might have a year or two left: Gary Sheffield

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 04:09 PM) Ditto. Come on, Fathom... do you really disrespect and think that lowly of Kenny? I think the world of KW....he was light-years more influential in helping us win the 2005 WS than Ozzie could have ever dreamed of. However, I just have a feeling that Ozzie is going to be begging KW to acquire his "Ozzieball" players this offseason. Also, a quick question I have: why do people want us to trade for Carillo so bad? If we thought he was good, we would have drafted him 2 years ago. Now, you add on the injury he's had, and I don't think we'd trade one of our starting pitchers for him. Also, Scott Linebrink was BRUTAL during the 2nd half of this season.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 02:04 PM) That's been Stoneman's motto in the past to hang onto the young players. But the Angels missed out on the playoffs this season and Arte Moreno has let it be known that they want to get a stud player in the off-season. So like I said earlier, if the Angels can't sign a good run producer in FA (and I don't think it's a very big class this off-season IIRC), they'll have to fill that need in the trade market. I wouldn't believe though that the Angels wouldn't offer Santana and Kendrick for Garland and Crede when they offered a deal of Santana, Aybar and Kotchman or Adenhart for Miggy Tejada about 2 months back. The thing is, there's no doubt in my mind that if we traded Crede, it would be for a package centered around Chone Figgins (yuck). I can't see the Angels trading Kendrick though, as they're letting Kennedy go via free agency in order to open up 2nd base for him for the next 10 years.

FWIW, there was a recent blurb in the Tribune where Ozzie said that the Sox are going to start to scout Latin America better in order to try and find some players. Maybe that's one of the good things about having Ozzie as our manager.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 01:41 PM) Danks would be a guy he'd be hard to trade, unless you got a stud player like Crawford back in return. Having a potential dominating lefty like him would be huge for the future of this rotation. The more I think about it, the more I like a Contreras for Danks and prospect deal. And here's another question. If you added Jon Garland along with Joe Crede in the deal to the Angels, do you think they would then offer say a Brandon Wood/Kendrick/Santana deal? I don't think the Angels would be willing to even trade Santana and Kendrick for Garland and Crede. They value their young players more than anyone, and they have enough money where they can go out and sign similar players to Garland and Crede if they have to. The package, from what I can gather, that Tampa would want for Crawford would be along the likes of McCarthy, Broadway, and another good prospect. Tampa isn't in a situation where they need to trade Crawford, so they want to get the most value that they can for him. I've seen things on this site about how Tampa would want someone like Jerry Owens in a trade. They have seemingly dozens of better outfield options than him.

The Angels aren't going to give up Santana and Kendrick for Crede. I don't even think they'd give up either of those guys for Crede. The Angels can just use their money and make a big offer for Aramis if they want.

I always knew McBride couldn't drive...and now it's confirmed. BTW, you have to be very drunk to get busted for DUI as an athlete in Champaign. A superstar athlete from there in the last 10 years had quite the problem with drinking and driving, and he never got charged.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 08:49 PM) You'd have to say Trot Nixon is a top ten option in the outfield If this was prior to the 2005 season, I might agree with you. He's someone who's always been a player I considered likely to be enhancing his performance.

Here's the thing that I think people on here fail to realize: as much as guys like Pierre and Figgins suck, they play the game the way Ozzie wants players to. Both of them can steal, bunt, etc. The sad thing is that I've almost convinced myself that Pierre would be a good addition to this team.

Since no one asked for my opinion, here's what I think after hearing that interview: there's just as good of a chance as re-signing Crede today as there was yesterday. KW uses the media to send messages to people. I'm not ready to scratch Crede off my 2007 White Sox depth chart.