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QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Sep 8, 2007 -> 02:53 AM) I'm honestly asking, can someone explain to me why Fields isn't getting every rep at 3B for the rest of the year? He needs all the reps he can there, and he has been no worse defensively than Braun or Ryan Zimmerman. IF Crede proves he's healthy and capable of manning 3B this offseason then you have the entire spring training to put Fields in LF to learn. I just don't get it. Zimmerman was supposed to be an all-world defender....looks to me like he's gotten a little fat and his throws have been brutal.

Anyone else remember Broadway saying he "likes to backdoor guys".

AJ just threw his glove into the dugout....he's going gloveless with Broadway on the mound.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 8, 2007 -> 02:50 AM) Is there a team in baseball more prone to the sudden late game implosion than the White Sox? Milwaukee Brewers....both teams have relievers who can't throw strikes, bad defensive players, and shaky managing.

Wow....I want them to lose right now, but not in this fashion.

So the Dodgers and Giants got letters from MLB about cooperating with George Mitchell on the 'roids investigation. I'm STUNNED that the Giants are being mentioned.

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Sep 8, 2007 -> 02:48 AM) Ouch. By your description, it sounds like the runner on third was holding. He was....and Richar should have definitely made a play on the liner by Bartlett.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 8, 2007 -> 02:46 AM) Cintron did not have a play at 2nd on that high chopper, first was his only play. So he throws it poorly to 2nd and the run scores. So, everyone is talking about how Cintron won't be back, but we want to make Gonzalez the utility player. My problem is that Gonzalez is so bad defensively, and he's bad offensively. Just cause you can bring a couple of gloves to the game, it doesn't mean you should be on a team's roster. I really hope neither of the guys are on the roster next year, and we find a way to get a better defensive utility player.

Let's just hope Pedro Alvarez can make that play.

Wow....keep booing fans, keep booing.

That's a play that needs to be made.

If there's two hitters on the Sox that I'd think would destroy Silva, it's Thome and Uribe. I remember Uribe having a two homer game vs Silva early last season. Silva's sinker just seems like the perfect location for Thome's swing. The two offensive things I want to see the rest of the year are Thome get to 500 and Fields to 20.

She's going to have quite the skanky 15 minutes of fame.....can't say I'm upset about that.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 09:40 PM) He's got a big fish rep, but I don't think he cracks a "Top 50 Offensive Players" list. He was on his way to being a 400 homer player.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 11:34 PM) Where does he rank in repsect to Estrada? Zambrano is the captain, but Estrada is the starting catcher. Bush is #5 in the rotation.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 11:32 PM) Perhaps they should start carrying little pictures of Miller Park in their pocket to remind them of home. David Bush is on my all-hated team.

I forgot just how bad the Brewers are on the road.

QUOTE(SEALgep @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 10:45 PM) Go ahead and debate... The plan was to give at bats for Hall at first base on occassion to rest PK. Was he supposed to learn during the regular season? Considering Ozzie's reluctance to ever have no back-up catcher left on the bench during a game, I highly doubt Hall would have gotten a lot of playing time at first base with AJP catching.

FWIW, Tampa loves Alvarez, and think of him as their 1B of the future.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) If you go back and read my posts, you will see I have commented on several things I believe Guillen can do better. I am not sure where even an insinuation comes up that Ozzie is never ever blamed for anything. That is certainly not me. Definitely not referring to you

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) No one is shocked/surprised this type of stuff comes up on a message board. If I see something posted that based on my knowledge is a gross generalization, a broad brush statement posed as fact when it isn't fact, I will chime in. I will also chime in when you for example start blaming Guillen for Hall's injury when it is a freak thing and the plan was to get him some time at 1B all along and Hall had worked out at 1B before. That type of stuff is beyond nitpicking, it is simply misguided. Part of the reason I was so upset with the Hall injury was that I was watching that game on TV, and he looked beyond awkward catching a throw at 1B a few batter's prior to the injury. I'm just mad that I decided to go get a blizzard at Dairy Queen (Brownie Batter), as I didn't post in that game thread about how I didn't think Hall should be there, because he'd be like 6th on the list in terms of possible 1b candidates (Konerko, Erstad, Mackowiak, Dye, Ozuna). Then, the whole issue escalated on this board because some people didn't think the back-up catcher spot was important, while others thought it would crush our effort against tough lefties (have we beaten a good lefty starter all year?).

QUOTE(vandy125 @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 04:30 PM) So, just because someone is wrong on one polar opposite, you are right with the other polar opposite? How does that logic work? I never said that...I just said there are those people that will love a certain player/coach, etc., and there are those that hate that same player/coach, etc. Never once did I say my opinion is right when compared to someone else's opinion.

Not if anyone cares, but I was thinking yesterday if I would even be happy if I saw on the BottomLine some morning that Ozzie was fired and quit. To be honest, that wouldn't make me happy or sad. All that matters is getting better talent on this roster, and everything seems to be pointing to Hunter as the main target.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 04:07 PM) It is pretty simple actually. If you hate Guillen you will find a way to trace all sorts of mishaps back to him. From where I sit he has made mistakes and can improve on certain things but some of the things he's blamed for ... again, I hope those people never spend any time in spring training because they will go insane. White Sox or any of the other teams camps. And from the other point of view, it seems like a lot of people will never, ever blame Ozzie for anything. I'm just shocked that people don't expect this type of polar opposite debate on a sports message board. Don't get me wrong Poplar....you at least back up your claims on why you support him. When I hear stuff like "Ozzie is the reason that Sox fans come to the park" or "there's no one else that could lead this team like he has", that's the stuff that irritates me. We suck this year, and it's been mostly every single individual in the organization besides Bobby Jenks.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 04:04 PM) Neither of these are true. One, they had Wiki Gonzalez who should have broke camp in Hall's absence but they decided on Gustavo because he knew the pitchers better (mistake IMO). Not that Wiki Gonzalez would've made a substantial difference this year. Like I said, when Gustavo Molina is your back-up....you have no back-up. I'm with you though....it was stupid to take Molina over Wiki. FWIW, Farmer mentioned the other day that Hall isn't sure if he'll get surgery.