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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:59 PM) well, the only people who think he is a reliever or a LOOGY are on this board. So I wouldnt put a whole lot of stock in that. or about three different college scouts who work for BA. I know what they say on the draft blog....but that's not what they think. For the record, they don't think it was a terrible pick. The biggest laughs of the first round were the Pirates and Twins picks.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) That's the main thing that disappoints me is his projection to the bullpen. At least we're not the Pirates.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) If Main was there at 25, do you think he would have been the pick? I'm 100 pct sure

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:52 PM) I've watched his video on mlb.com. From what I saw, it reminded me of Sisco. Little movement and no secondary stuff to back it up. His delivery is very similar as well. He's going to have to be a reliever. I wouldn't be to upset if he can be a lefty set-up man.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:49 PM) And I have a hard time believing so many people that are paid to scout and project the draft are wrong. Poreda wasn't a 1st round name, but was a Top 50 player. I just have a real hard time already calling this kid a 1st round bust an hour after he was picked. None of us have seen him for more than 2 or 3 minutes, and he is obviously extremely raw. I know it's fun for alot of fans to rag on everything Sox, but lets give it a little more time. Now if you want to be upset about Porcello, fine, thats another story. You know that most of what I just said there is coming from scouts and draft editors.

Fantastic supplemental pics for the Nationals.

That a boy Shannon!

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:46 PM) So I hear we drafted Andrew Sisco? No, Matt Thornton!

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:45 PM) Burgess is gone. By who?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:43 PM) Sorry, but how can you make a statement like that? I have a hard time believing you have seen him throw a pitch(aside from the 10 second clips on ESPN) Your going to make that statement just on some scouting reports you have read from various online sites? Sure you can gather the best information possible to find out what type of pitcher the Sox drafted, but you have no idea on how this guy projects. I just find it hard to project a guy who only throws fastballs to be extremely productive against MLB hitters when he can't even average 2 strike outs every 3 innings. According to a scout after the pick, he said "well, good luck letting Yankees hitters put the ball in play compared to letting Santa Clara hitters".

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) Coop can't fix him ?!?!?! He's sure worked wonders with the offspeed, or should I say lack of, pitches of Thornton and Cotts.

Just watched some video of Porda on mlb.com. Not a lot of life on his fastball, which explains the low K rate. Cooper doesn't have have a good track record with teaching lefties good offspeed pitches.

NOT TO JINX HIM, BUT SCHILLING HAS A NO-HITTER THRU 8.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:32 PM) I never said that. But the negative, the Sox suck, the manger sucks, the gm sucks none stop daily vibe around here is bulls***. All we're asking is for them to prove us wrong. It's been almost an entire season worth of the team slumping, crap in the media, questionable decision making, and lethargic play. KW was the toast of this site last year around this time, even after the bad Vazquez trade.

What's the more annoying argument: - if you know so much, then why aren't you managing in the majors? or - if you think such and such team is so good, then why don't you become a fan of that team?

Flash....you think will get some arrogant comments from KW in the press about how he figures Sox fans will like this because he throws hard?

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:22 PM) Pal, I have a clue. I think having a player with a plus fastball with an excellent chance of signing with a good upsaide is better than wasting a pick so you can get another pick next year...which is your concept. You need a clue. We've taken enough safe picks lately in terms of signability.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:21 PM) I got one thing left to say, Aaron Poreda must put up some crazy numbers this year and move through the organization fast, or else, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Seriously, does this guy not seem like Andrew Sisco part 2? Hard fastball but with no secondary stuff and some command issues. He has good control. He's Matt Thornton Jr.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:18 PM) You approve of wasting a first round pick instead of picking the pitcher we got????...and Kenny's the bad GM, eh? I approve of going all out for someone that you usually don't have a chance at (with that kind of talent) due to your average record.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:17 PM) If Porcello is pitching well for Detroit alongside Miller and Verlander, it's Williams responsibility to find pitchers to match them. Whether from international scouting, trades, or devoting money to picks who slip in the draft. He better do it, because I'm not any more confident about our future now than several hours ago. The immense expectations for Poreda start right now for me. If Williams is willing to pass up Porcello at #25 knowing a competitor rests two spots below, he better be confident. Especially since everyone was aware that there was a team that would take him before #30, and when you look at the teams that picked after us and before the Yankees, it was obvious it was the Tigers.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 09:08 PM) Explain that to the other 10 teams that wanted nothing to do with him. Don't you think they know that? They obviously value the negoiation process a LOT more than our Mel Kipers here. The upside isn't the point. What good is selecting a guy if he's not a lock to sign or you know it will be difficult? Of course if the Sox are/were willing to give a prospect that kind of money ($3-5 million,) it's only natural that the b****ing about not spending that money on the major league team will start to arise. Personally, I would have been so impressed if the Sox realized that they needed to put more money into player development due to the upcoming rebuilding that's going to have to be done.

66 strike outs in 100 IP against average-to-mediocre college competition. I can't see how he projects to be anything else than a reliever.

I still predict the Sox will take John Ely with their next pick. QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:55 PM) For the record, i watched Broadway pitch in person last night. one of his better games. went 7 innings, allowed three runs, two earned. only four Ks with four walks. Fastball usually at 87, occasionally hit 88. NEVER HIGHER than 88. Gave up six hits, including a 398-foot dinger by Mark Bellhorn. He looks functional, a fourth or fifth starter, which is what the scouts say about him. Nothing wrong with that, except he was a first-round draft pick. We need to trade him. He has no chance to succeed in the Cell pitching the way he does.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:54 PM) Go watch the Tigers and all their great pitchers than. Watch as they go to throw to 3rd base and air mail it. So we're going to start mocking a team for what they do in the playoffs? I don't get this line of thinking by some on here. The Tigers are one of our main competitors....we didn't want them to add another top-line talent.

I love the pick for the Yankees.