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QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:26 PM) I'm watching Floyd's start right now....that curve he threw on Morneu's homer was a pretty hard good curve. The only bad part you could say is it was in the middle, but the ball was down. Either way I try not to grade guys based on one outing but I have noticed he now has a fastball that he can get that kind of sinks down below the zone which should help him get a lot of ground balls. I just don't get why he's living on the outside of the plate so far in the game (I've only gotten through a couple innings). It seemed like he must have thrown 70 balls out of the strike zone off the outside corner against lefties. And after watching replays, that pitch he threw to Morneau was horrible. I saw that Ozzie commented that he liked his velocity yesterday....just how bad was it during ST then? He didn't top 92 mph yesterday, and he got very, very few swings and misses.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 04:51 AM) Out of the 10 guys the White Sox have used out of the bullpen this year, 6 have ERA's over 6.00. 8 have ERA's over 5.00. The only 2 below are Bukvich, who is not a major leaguer, and Jenks. I think I read where the Sox starters ERA was second in the AL, probably not after today, but KW just might have assembled the worst bullpen in team history. If Jenks second half is like his second half of 2006 it will be. He's probably the only guy in the bullpen who would make every other major league roster. It baffles me that no one has been fired on this team. I know you'll agree with me that KW is so full of s***. All of his speeches about making changes, and nothing has taken place. Today should be one of the lowest points of this organization in decades. As the 75 year old lady sitting a few rows away from me said, "this is sad how far we've fallen". Amen old lady, amen!

The competition level in the International League is brutal. There's a reason Timo is one of the top hitters in it. And I don't know if this was mentioned anywhere else, but Masset has allowed 51 base runners in his last 17 innings in relief. Besides for two games with the Sox, he might be the worst pitcher I've ever seen stay on the team for 81 games.

The Gio/Gavin duo with a poor showing today.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 04:29 AM) Personally, I've had enough of these types of people. They need to get this issue resolved now, because I cannot deal with it anymore. I want the bandwagon people to stay around as long as possible....our payroll's going to have to stay relatively high if we want there to be a chance to get our talent level back to respectable levels in the next few years.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 04:27 AM) Gavin Floyd made a nice attempt at getting everyone sitting in the bleachers a souvenir of his first White Sox start. Its getting to the point where I'm not angry, I'm not breaking things like WHarris. I was sitting in the stands laughing. At least we know there's about a 99% chance Floyd improves his next outing, if he gets one. Did you like his mound presence, especially when he went into the stretch after allowing Morneau's first homer?

If you're trading a starting pitcher for him, it better be Contreras. If Buehrle is dealt, it has to be for prospects.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 04:18 AM) I've gotta watch my words here... I'm gonna love having Mark on the team when we have an 75-85 million dollar payroll and we're right back in 4th place next year. Please ask these 'fans' what they expect the team to look like next year. These people upset me for some reason. I'm sure that I'm just to excepting, but I can look at the reality and see that this team will really bad for the next few years, do these 'fans' just assume next year is gonna be swell? That Mark and Jon will be resigned that Ichiro and Rowand are going to come in and we'll be stylin' in 08? Oh trust me, as much as I want Buehrle back, I understand completely why we'd look to trade him. However, KW has handled these negotiations so poorly, and if we end up trading him in the next 2 weeks, it's going to make some pissed-off fans even angrier.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 04:00 AM) Gavin has a live arm. Why when we have pitchers who throw 93 and up, do we not throw inside. When you go away away away they are going to do what they did today. Extend and jack the ball. You dont have to plunk everyone, but for the love of god, run a 2 seamer on the inside corner and back them up a bit. I wouldn't consider 91 mph fastballs a "live arm". Of course, Garza comes back from their minors and is throwing harder than he did last year.

Who in the world said that Floyd throws 95 mph? His fastball was at 91 mph all night. Between him and Masset, can we just never attend a Winter League game again?

I would bet that very soon, Buehrle says the 4/56 is off the table, and he'll test free agency. And maybe it's me, but after reading that article twice, it seems like he wasn't kidding. He probably expects to be traded during the ASB.

I'm stunned that Thome, Pods, Erstad, and MacDougal were placed on the DL this year.

Being there all day today was quite the spectacle. It's amazing how poor this is fundamentally, with horrible base running, pathetic defense, and just idotic things like Gavin Floyd pitching from the stretch with no one on base and Jerry Owens not stealing 2nd base when he's not being held on. And as for Ozzie...all I know is that 36 runs later, I can't believe we didn't throw a purpose pitch.

Things are going to get so ugly at the park if Buehrle is traded. Being there all day today, the fans have so much hatred for this organization right now.

QUOTE(toasty @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 04:51 AM) it is quite possibe that burls will demand a no-trade from whatever team he signs with in the off-season, if the sox do not lock him up. he seems the type to want to have his family settled and not be moving around... so no amount of maneuvering on the sox side will help. i just cant see KW giving in on this, unfortunately. Yep, and the more time passes, the more the Sox fans will have a hard time accepting it if he's traded after being willing to give up so much money to remain with the team. KW should have kept these negotiations quiet....as it's his job that's likely going to be at stake in the long run.

Chicagosports article saying that Boston is involved in the Buehrle talks again.

Until Theo has more World Series rings than KW, it's really hard to make one out to be so much better than the other. If KW had an unlimited payroll, he'd be a pretty damn good GM then. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 11:52 PM) So there you have it. The supposed white sox fan, in all his glory. I give him credit....he doesn't even pretend to like the White Sox anymore.

Wily Mo is the type of stupid, bad fundamental, terrible defensive player we need to get away from. If he was the main person we receive in return for Buehrle, then KW might as well quit.

And Bill Hall leaves today's game with a leg injury. The Brewers are fading heading into the ASB.

I just hope he throws strikes tomorrow. I'll be at the game, and don't want to see him nibble the whole time.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 06:32 PM) Ozzie said he doesn't want to call someone up for a start and then send them right back down. He doesn't think it would be fair to Floyd. Maybe today or tomorrow is the day the trigger is going to be pulled on some other moves. Yep, Masset was available to start tomorrow, but they're going with Floyd instead. I'd say there's about a 75 pct chance now that one of our starting pitchers is traded in the next 5 days.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 02:22 AM) Monday? I believe the 'turning point' -- or the moment the majority of Soxtalk knew 2007 wasn't our year -- was the final game of the Cubs series. Our pitiful stretch of games against the supposedly weak National League concluded with a sweep. And while it was over far before that in my mind, that was the turning point for many more on the fence. You should know me better than to think I was being serious. I can't believe the amount of optimism people had because we won two series against Tampa and KC.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 02:15 AM) Let it happen, already. The turning point of this season was blowing that game on Monday.

One of the favorite moments in my life involved Bako, and it was ending Game 7 of the NLCS in 2003.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 02:07 AM) It's not enought that Dye's value has sunk offensively, why not leave him out and expose his defensive woes as well? I gave up all hope of our manager doing the right thing in showcasing potential guys to trade after last Friday's game in KC.