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FWIW, I just asked the source about the information again, and he was sure of the Soriano jersey statement, but wasn't 100 pct sure about the no-trade clause.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 10:06 PM) WTF give it to him. If we don't get him over a no-trade clause I will be pissed. Since I have no clue how accurate this information is, I'm not going to get upset about it. The person who told me has a friend within the Sox organization who helps with merchandise.

I just received information that leads me to believe this deal was very close to happening, but the Sox backed out when they couldn't get Soriano to agree to not having a no-trade clause for his full contract extension. In no way is this information confirmed, but there were members of the Sox organization who were told to order Soriano Sox jerseys today.

QUOTE(soxpride77 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 09:38 PM) But who do we flip him for? Soriano is an A+ player, I don't know who we would get that is better than or equal to him. Yep, it doesn't make sense at all. McCarthy's about as good of a young pitcher as you can seriously consider to get in a deal like this. I sure hope KW knows what he's doing....and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

If we trade for Soriano, there's no way in hell we're going to flip him for someone else. That type of trade would make no sense, especially after we got MacDougal today. There's no one that Seattle could realistically trade us that would make up for giving away a potential starting pitcher in McCarthy. I believe KW is going by the belief that if you can't upgrade your pitching, then upgrade your offense. Going from Pods to Soriano is an amazing offensive upgrade.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:20 PM) Yes, I do. Kenny wants another title BADLY. I'll be sick if we lose Brandon. He's gonna be to us what Liriano, Verlander and Weaver have been to the Twins, Tigers, and Angels. I like McCarthy a lot, but he's nowhere near the caliber of those guys.

How many years does MacDougal have left before free agency? These two pitchers are an awful lot to give up for someone who can't stay healthy and can't get hitters out consistently.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:15 PM) better not be Tyler 99 pct sure it is

If we have to give up either Fields or Broadway, along with McCarthy, in order to get Soriano, we better be sure we can re-sign him for the future.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:14 PM) Score reported we just aqquired McDougal for 2 minor leaguers. Ugh...MacDougal is always hurt...and not very good. He'll drive us nuts.

If we trade McCarthy for Soriano, I have little doubt that we would then re-sign Soriano to a contract extension. It would answer our LF/leadoff position hole that we have ever since Pods injury situation last year made him into a mediocre player.

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 01:40 PM) Another thread got me thinking about this just now. The 4/7 game at KC really had my blood boiling for sure. There was a crosstown classic game, with Manuel managing, and he inexplicably removed Colon who was just CRUISING and the bullpen blew the game in the bottom of the 8th I hate managers who inexplicably remove their starting pitcher when they say they're done. You say you had a problem with Manuel taking out a self-proclaimed "done" Colon, yet you argue that Guillen should have pulled Vazquez after the 5th inning against the Tigers in a game he was CRUISING?

Garcia is exactly the type of pitcher that the Yankees could use right now.

Phil Rogers is making his case for why the Cubs should trade ARam and J. Jones for ARod. We don't have the pieces to trade the Yanks to get ARod, as we don't have a 3rd baseman to give back (we'd be trading ARod to play SS). Personally, I think Tejada would be so much of a better "blockbuster" guy to try and trade for.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:52 AM) Did anyone else notice the lack of enthusiasm in Garland's demeanor in the throw? Some people are saying, "Sometimes you miss, blah blah blah, he tried," but I thought it was clear in his demeanor that he wasn't trying very hard, and wouldn't mind missing. Jon Garland never shows enthusiasm on the mound. It's been something that's frustrated a lot of Sox fans over the year. Judging by where the two pitches ended up, there's no doubt that Garland tried his best to hit Kinsler in the leg.

I couldn't agree more. Tomorrow's game is huge for us. You don't want to lose the first game, and then have Santana lurking in game 2.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:17 AM) YEAH!!!!!!! HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!! WOO-HOO!!! We just won the Series!!! We've played about as bad as possible, against the toughest stretch of our schedule, and we still have a 2.5 lead in the Wild Card. We could be in a hell of a lot worse position than we are right now.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:12 AM) Listening to Farmer and Singelton on XM today it sounded like Ozzie was telling Jon Garland that he din't want him hitting anyone and that the Sox needed him. If in fact Garland was going after the hitter at least he was showing support for his team. I don't think Ozzie was yelling at Garland for NOT hitting the guy. What is everyone elses take on it? Of course Garland was told to hit the batter. Any talk about it being otherwise is just trying to make it look like our pitcher wasn't ordered to throw at someone (and save face with MLB).

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:09 AM) But this is certainly Kenny's style. Keep trading to get back players you've once had. Has Alomar Jr. passed Carl Everett's record yet? Or maybe to bring in players that you know will be a strong force in your clubhouse and be a professional on and off the field.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:08 AM) Uribe is safe. Maybe Podsednik isn't, but there's no way Uribe is going to go. Was the Garland-berating shown on Sportscenter? It'll probably be on BBTN or on Sportscenter later, right? Uh, I'd intended to post that about Garland in the Sox Catch-All, but accidentally clicked this, so I'll just leave it unless someone else decides it's better elsewhere. Yes, I saw the Garland clip again on SprotsCenter earlier. They showed a brief clip of it, and you see Dye/Thome walking closer to it in order to break it up if needed.

I think it's safe to say that no one is safe on this roster right now. For some crazy reason, I think that KW's comments about forgetting about 2005 were directed at either our LF or SS.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 01:00 AM) Note I said his ceiling is comparable to Gary Majewski. Minor League relievers are a dime a dozen to a point. Losing such a player is not a huge deal. Some will work out. Some won't. Didn't R. Meaux have great numbers last year?

QUOTE(korntownballa @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 12:34 AM) he [podsednick] is becoming a liability on the field and isn't producing the way they expected the table setter to ----------------------------------- are you kidding me? podz is actually having a better year at this time then he did last year (except for the SB).. he has more HR, more RBIs, about the saem BA, and better OBP. That still doesn't mean he's a good player.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 10:59 PM) That tells me the staff wasn't very happy with the pre game work he did with the pitchers prior to starts, if not more. And makes the addition of Sandy seem more likely.

Check out the Widger reaction thread for some strong words.