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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:41 PM) I don't think Rowand would be traded in a deal for Delgado if Pierre is dealt to the Cubs. Why? Because FLA wants Pie if for Pierre from the Cubs. Not a chance in hell they get Pie for Pierre. More than likely, Hendry will get the better end of the deal, and it will likely be Patterson and Wellemeyer for Pierre.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) Hudson and Rowand are attracting a lot of attention because they're not just mid-level players. Hudson is the best defensive 2B in the game. That + and average bat is extremely valuable. Rowand is one of the best CFers in the game. CF, specifically in a spacious ballpark, is the most important defensive posistion on the field. Rowand is also only a year removed from a top 10 OPS season in the AL. -- These guys are very good players. Mench can hit HRs, doesn't strike out a lot, and is cheap, thus his value. When I say mid-level, I don't mean that they're average players. Rather, they're not near the superstar level either though. If you've seen the names being thrown around in deals for these guys, you would have thought they were superstars. With the weak FA market, more teams are looking to acquire their big players via trades this offseason.

Well, I guess since the expert has spoken, there's no reason to follow the hot stove this offseason.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 05:57 PM) I still don't want Rowand traded until after the '06 season. Unless a trade comes up for Delgado, I really don't want to see Row moved. The .900 OPS CF from '04 was so f***in' good, he needs one more season to prove it wasn't a fluke. Or you could trade him now while he still has value. Another subpar offensive season from him, and teams wouldn't be willing to give up much for him at all. From what it seems, mid-level players like Rowand, Orlando Hudson, and Mench are attracting a lot of attention, and there seems to be a pretty nice sized price tag for them also.

If you were to trade Rowand for C. Wang, then you could turn around and include Wang in any trade to try and upgrade our offense. Thus, the Sox could possibly avoid having to give up one of their big 5 starters for next season.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 06:39 AM) I don't really buy that about Walker. He still has a lot of value because he is a great stick and makes barely anything ($2.5 million). By the way, Eduardo Perez is 36 years old. I'd rather bring Frank back very cheaply, hope he can stay healthy, and have Gload as a backup DH/1B. Even though I gave my suggestions, I think the most likely scenario is PK signs with the Red Sox, Gload isn't brought back, and Frank signs for about 2.5 mil. Of course, I still stand by my blind prediction from 5 months ago that Carlos Pena will be the starting 1B for the 2006 White Sox (no reasoning for that psychic vision). BTW, I know people suggest that if PK leaves, we should use guys like Rowand, Duque, and Marte to try and trade for a new 1B. I think a trade chip that should really be used is Politte, who on a team like the Tigers might think he can be a closer. We can make Steff happy, and sign Urbina then.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 06:31 AM) The Cubs are going to trade Todd Walker for a reliever or in a package for an outfielder. We won't be getting him. Eduardo Perez? You can't be serious. Just don't look at his career numbers. :puke Perez has hammered lefties the last couple of years. If we sign PK, it's likely going to be very difficult to afford a power hitting DH also. Thus, that's the reason for the possible platoon with two guys who are very good against rhp/lhp. Todd Walker's value is going to be extremely low now since all teams know that the Cubs have no intention on bringing him back.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 05:23 AM) What would be the best option in your opinion? A trade for Thome or giving the job to Gload? Just curious on what you want to see the Sox to do. If you can sign PK to 4 yr/52 mil, that's great. I wouldn't give him a 5th year. In my opinion, the Sox shouldn't bring back Frank next year. I love him, but you just can't trust him to stay healthy. If you do bring back PK for so much money, you then make sure you resign guys like AJP and Garland, and look for some cheaper replacements at DH. An idea that I was thinking of platooning players at DH, with something like Gload or someone like Todd Walker vs righties, and Eduardo Perez vs lefties. I think people have significantly overstated how much money the Sox would have to spend this offseason though. Let me add this thought also: If PK takes more money to go elsewhere, I won't lose a single second of sleep over it. If anything, it would make me pretty excited to see what else KW might do. It would make things much easier though if KW doesn't have to give up a pitcher to replace the 1B in a trade.

QUOTE(sufferingsoxfan @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 05:03 AM) Helton is a damn good player but has an albatross of a contract. And so might PK in a few weeks. If a team signs him to 5/65, they're going to regret it.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 02:15 AM) When we were at our hottest Rowand was our three hitter almost every game... Also I do expect Konerko to be gone... I just can't see KW giving him a 5 year deal, although I would love to be proved wrong there for sure... Rowand had 3 homers in 139 AB out of the 3rd spot. Especially if we lose a 40 homer hitting number 4 hitter, that's unacceptable. Rowand needs to be lower in the order to concentrate on hitting before he becomes the 4th outfielder on the club.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 01:37 AM) Heres what I think they should do... Move Rowand into RF, move Anderson into CF, move Dye to 1B, sign or trade for a power bat to DH... Then the lineup for next year looks like this... Pods-LF Iguchi-2B Rowand-RF Power bat- DH Dye-1B Anderson-CF AJ-C Crede-3B Uribe-SS Just say no to Rowand in the 3rd hole. Unless we're facing lefties 162 games a season, he should be batting 7th.

Everyone knows I was one of Ozzie's biggest critics during the season. Outside of maybe one or two calls in the playoffs, I thought he managed perfectly. However, the thing I've most been impressed with Ozzie since the end of the regular season has been the way he's handled himself. He seems to be a lot more serious lately than he was, and I think that reflects well on Ozzie. Every interview I've seen/heard, he's been very centered and hasn't been the loose cannon that he was. I don't care who our manager is.....anyone that leads the White Sox to the World Series is a legend in my book. Congrats Ozzie!

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 09:19 PM) That trade would be awful... I agree with that, but you know KW and Ozzie want more speed, and Pierre's one of the few marquee speed guys who's available.

Alex Gonzalez of the Marlins is not a better player than Uribe. Gonzalez has a subpar attitude, can't hit a slider if his life depended on it, and will cost at least 5 mil per season.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) I'm personally a big fan of Ross and would have no problem with him starting at first if we added a top notch dh. That being said, imo Kenny is just saying that for leverage in the trade market, he doesn't want other gm's to believe that he needs another first baseman. I would highly doubt Gload is our starting 1b next year. Perfectly said

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 04:17 PM) Link... ? Cause for some crazy reason.. I've never heard this and I've been following Kenny's career since Cleveland. Reported by two different radio stations during the following offseason. Is it accurate? Who knows. The people saying it sure seemed like they had inside information. But in all honesty, a lot of people on here, including you and myself, receive inside information from different sources. A lot of the time, it ends up being false. However, it doesn't mean that the posters should get ripped on for sharing the information that they've been told/heard. These aren't the type of rumors like "I was walking in the airport, and overheard KW on the phone, etc.".

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) Good grief... Mark is a Cardinals fan.. guess he shouldn't be allowed to play for us anymore either. Well, you never hear stories about how Buehrle doesn't feel right playing for the Sox because he's a Cardinals fan. These are the exact type of stories that were said about Lofton after the season in which he played for the White Sox.

Two things: - Ozzie knew Pierre when he was with the Marlins. In my mind, Ozzie and KW would jump at the chance to trade Rowand and a prospect for Pierre. - Furcal wants a 5 yr deal. If we're not going to give PK a 5 year deal, we're not going to give it to Furcal. I'll still be STUNNED if he doesn't sign with the Cubs.

QUOTE(BMac41 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) Kenny Lofton is an old piece of s***.The guy sucks now.He's a waste to have on the team. There were numerous reports that said Lofton didn't like playing for the White Sox because he was a Cubs fan. I highly doubt KW would ever consider bringing him back.

QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 03:50 AM) Just got a call from a kansas buddy. Brandon Rush with 17/10 Jwrihgt almost had a triple double. Sasha Kaun with 23. I love Julian, but 8 pts, 8 rebs, and 4 asts isn't close to a triple double. Rush had a great game, and Kaun had quite the interesting fg/ft pct tonight.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 10:52 PM) Where do people get this impression from? It's just so common I have to ask. Have you ever once seen him play? If so, what did you see that every other coach and media agent in America missed? This is the type of b.s. which has really annoyed me by some Illini fans during the Weber recruiting debacle era. They think that every analyst/guru is stupid when it comes to ranking the players high, even though the rankings are pretty consistent across the board. If a player is ranked high, and they don't get him, they say he's overrated and the rankings don't matter. If they get someone like Carlwell who's in the 35-50 ranking area, they proclaim how he's such a great recruit BECAUSE of his ranking. When nearly everyone that saw Semrau play this summer say that he was a massive bust, then the fans again state that the gurus don't know anything. As for me...I'll wait until these freshman aren't playing Division III athletes before I judge their potential. I know a main player on IWU, and for anyone to judge how the Illini players were against him is pretty odd to me.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 10:00 PM) Just wondering why would Illini fans want him to fail? It's not like Weber ever came after him. He was very high on UNC and Marquette. He never even mentioned the Illini. Read the illiniboard often? Nearly every post after he went to UNC was how he'd never amount to anything at UNC, and he'd be transferring to some mid-major school by '07.

QUOTE(thedoctor @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) how has bobby frasor been faring so far for the heels? i'd read somewhere he was going to start. hat's off to a fellow southsider if that's the case. I've heard very good things about him. Even though most Illini fans I know want him to fail, I've heard he's looked great in practice and has an excellent chance at starting sooner, rather than later.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 09:09 PM) Dang, I just checked their roster and you are completely right. I forgot about who all they had returning. IF Bowers continued to develop over the offseason and can give 20 mins a game, I honestly think they can challenge Duke for the ACC title. He has always played well against Duke. Maryland is the only team in the ACC with enough size to match up with Duke. The ACC is at its worst possibly in history at the PG position, so Strawberry should be able to take advantage of that. Maryland returns 83% of their offense, and will likely have Strawberry, an elite defender, for more than half a season like last year. Maryland is another that I believe will end up in the top 10, great call there. Maryland needs Ibekwe to stop being so inconsistent. Gist is probably a better overall player than he is. Strawberry will be the best defensive pg in the country this season, but he might struggle against tough defense against himself. They should get 3rd or 4th in the ACC, but they better do good this season, because the ACC is absolutely loading up for future seasons, especially UNC and Ga Tech.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 05:07 PM) QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 10:41 AM) You really don't think Urbina has some baggage? I've been told for years that he has an awful reputation within baseball, and recent events only scare me off more from him joining the Sox. Sure, he may very well be innocent of the crime....but it's not like being charged with attempted murder should just be brushed off like it's no big deal. Not that any of this matters and it's ruining the thread. Yes, I was saying that it indeed is a big deal, and that was in response to you saying that I was being irresponsible by claiming that one of the reasons that he shouldn't be an option is because of the arrested murder situation. If there was confusion on my behalf, then I'm sorry, and you're right, there's no more reason in arguing about this. I'll stand by my sources that say Urbina is a shady person, and you'll stand by your feeling. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong.