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QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) I agree with SB that if Mark felt the need to call the Rangers out on his suspicions, now is teh most beneficial time to do it from the White Sox perspective. If you feel like a team is cheating...you take advantage of this. If we honestly thought they were stealing signs, then you switch the signs around and try to trick them into believing the wrong pitch was coming. I remember in high school baseball when our coach would steal signs. It was good to know what was coming. However, if the other team switched their signs, and our coach relayed the wrong pitch....you were screwed.

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:01 PM) Soriano kinda plays like they are always out of it...That guy can hit, no doubt, but I would never want him on my team. I'd gladly take him on our team over any of our other hitters.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) Adding onto last year's wonderful numbers in 3 different stops (which was the whole reason he was starting in spring training in the 1st place), McCarthy has something like a 2 ERA in a hitter's paradise down in Charlotte since he was last demoted. Add that onto the 130/32 K/BB ratio. I'd love to see McCarthy pitch well the rest of this season, as it could have a big influence on what our team looks like next season. If McCarthy shows he has a chance to be a competent start next season, it just raises the likelihood we can trade someone like Contreras to improve our offense next season.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) Konerko has stated recently he doesn't want to go play for an East Coast Team because he doesn't want to live there. That cuts the Mets, Yankees and Red Sox out of the bidding. It wouldn't surprise me to see Konerko go back to the Dodgers. I know Lasorda loves him, and they don't seem very high on Choi.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:50 PM) The thing is, without AJ or someone like that catching him, he will revert back to his old form. Very possibly. Don't underestimate him pitching in a contract year though. There's a lot of good catchers in the National League, which is where I think he'll get traded to. An NL team would love to have him face teams in the NL for the first time (besides Interleague).

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:50 PM) Then if Paulie isn't, who do you expect will? Probably someone we never would have expected. And yes, I think there's a real possibility we strongly consider Dye to play 1b. If the organization thought that Gload could be a full-time starter at a prime position...they would have found a way to keep him on the roster this whole season.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:47 PM) I don't suspect Paulie will be back next year with the :puke Yanks and :puke Red Cubs likely to throw a ton of money at him. This is fine because I would never overpay for Paulie. That being said, Gload could be the starting 1B next year. If this is a possibility, I would like to see him having more opportunity to prove himself. Gload won't be the starting 1b for the Sox next year. I will guarantee that.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:39 PM) Nor he should with the way he's pitched since the Trade Deadline. And there'll be interest in him this off-season, don't worry about that. He'll be one of the most valued starting pitchers available on the trade market. He would be the ace on a handful of teams, and with one year left on his deal, his stock has never been higher.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) Yea, the ball jumps here. There's no doubt about that. The thing about MB from what I saw on the highlights (I was in class) was that he was getting hit on pitches that were in the "right spot"... normally, when a pitcher is biting on the corners, they don't get hit that hard. And they were tagging the ball no matter where he pitched it. The thing is, Rangers have some very good opposite field hitters. Guys like M. Young and Derosa have a natural stroke to the opposite field. One pitch that really bothered me last night was in the first inning to M. Young. With a guy on 2nd and no outs, it was obvious he was trying to hit it to right field. And what do we give him to hit? An outside change-up. The way Buehrle pitches, he's going to have nights where the ball finds holes more than usual. He'll also have games where he gets 4 double plays to get out of innings.

Since this was such a big series for the Rangers, I'm sure they used their "secret weapon". A meaningless late August game against the White Sox sure would be worth giving away any advantage they could give themselves in actual big games vs teams in the AL West.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:35 PM) I'm going to repeat what I just said in an earlier post. The Rangers are WAAAAAAY different in their approach when they hit on the road and when they hit at home. It does raise an interesting question. That's it. The ball jumps out of the park in Arlington, especially with how hot it is. Also, it's not like the other parks in the AL West are hitter friendly. A lot of times, it's just the mindset of the players. Colorado is a perfect example of how a player can get so out of whack in their mentality between home and away.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:32 PM) I wonder if they would be interested in contreras? Did he clear waivers? Trust me, there will be all sorts of rumors about the Sox trading Contreras in the off-season. However, he's not going anywhere right now.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:26 PM) Maybe they want some momentum heading into the 2nd game.... Also, the first game usually has the better lineup from both teams in the game. You'd have to think Garland has a better chance of success against the "A" Rangers offense than McCarthy does. I've never been one to shy away from complaining about Ozzie....but this is the right move.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) And Timo is? I think you know how I feel about that.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:06 PM) your point would be valid if BMac ever had good numbers in the minors. The only time he has ever been good is the three week stretch in spring training. Yeah, his numbers were really awful in the minors last season. Even though I said not to put too much stock in minor league numbers, it's still a reason to get excited about young prospects. It's the older guys like Gload, Daubach, etc. that have terrific stats in the minors, but it doesn't mean very much at all.

Gload's injury this season cost him his ability to play the outfield...which wasn't much of an ability to begin with. In the minds of our mgmt., back-up first baseman was not a very critical position. Thus, that's the reason he hasn't been up. Also, it's not like he was tearing the cover off the ball when he was with the Sox THIS season. One of the biggest mistakes someone can make is putting too much stock in minor league numbers.

QUOTE(knightni @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 06:39 AM) The Mets aren't winning the division/WC without Cameron and a healthy Beltran. I'm shocked that Floyd would have Chicago teams on his N/T list. After Montral, Florida and the Mets, he's seen nearly every dump of a ballpark in the majors. You'd think that the Cell would be a welcome change. Floyd DHing>>>>Crazy Carl. Mets are 1.5 games out, and they're getting great offense right now to go along with some very good pitching. Especially with Cameron out, I think the NY media would go nuts if they got rid of Floyd also.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 06:47 AM) I think its kinda wrong to say Danny Wright was a hated guy in the Sox history. The kid gave everything he had out there when on the mound, things just didn't work out for him. And then his arm went to s***, it was a bad thing to see happen to anyone. I think a lot of people are referring to most hated performer, and not person. Injury or not, it was still very rough having to watch Wright pitch. Doesn't mean he was a bad guy though.

QUOTE(Spiff @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 06:42 AM) If you think a team is cheating, the perception of sportsmanship is the last thing on your mind. If you really think a team is cheating, then change your freaking signs!! I would think Buehrle and AJP are instinctual enough baseball players to catch on after a while if there really was something going on. I would all but guarantee there was no cheating like that going on. Do you know how quickly those lights would have to blink between the sign and the actual pitch? Especially with how quick Buehrle pitches, that is just not a likely scenario. With the way Buehrle pitches, he's going to have games where the other team finds holes, and he gives up a lot of hits/runs.

QUOTE(JoshPR @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 06:40 AM) Ohh Ohhh There goes this thread. Hopefully the mods don't delete this thread cause of the personal attack. And trust me spiff...if there's one person who should have a thread asking what in the world is wrong with them, it's Iguchi. He's had back-to-back horrible performances.

QUOTE(Spiff @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 06:38 AM) No it's not loser's limp, it's pure frustration. He said he made good pitches, and somehow they knocked him around. Stop being such an ass every time a player has a bad game. Well, Buehrle's not the first pitcher to get roughed up in Texas. I haven't heard any other pitchers come out in the press and basically accuse the Rangers of cheating. Buehrle's my favorite player on the Sox....but he's gotten a little too "open" in what he says to the media this year. Between this and the Cubs cheating comment he made, he's coming close to crossing the line of displaying good sportsmanship.

QUOTE(knightni @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 06:34 AM) Cliff Floyd cleared waivers. Hmm... what do you think that the Mets would want for him? I thought Floyd has a no-trade clause, and the Sox are on his list of teams he wouldn't go to. Very surprising for a guy from the south suburbs. With the Mets making a run, I can't see them trading him. He's the type of guy who would just destroy the ball in a hitter's park.

Even though he was a nice guy, I really disliked Sandy Alomar on the Sox. This team didn't win anything with him as the catcher, and he just seemed like he aged about 5 years every season he was here. Danny Wright was just painful to watch, and Mike Jackson and Paniagua were disgraceful. Navarro has to be the king of Sox hatred though, especially considering his salary.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 06:29 AM) This team needs a LH bat that can drive in runs. Todd Walker fills that bill. Bellhorn doesn't. They don't need Walker to play 2nd or 3rd. He can DH. He should DH. Only putting on the leather occasionally. Basically, he's a perfect fit for what we need without having to sell the farm. That's why it's disappointing to hear we have no interest in him.

Yeah, there's a definite difference between having a coach on the bench trying to steal the signs, and having someone supposedly in the outfield relaying the signs to the hitter. To me, it sounds like Buehrle has a big case of Loser's Limp. This is the type of comment I'd expect to hear from Prior/Wood/Zambrano after a rough outing.