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QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:07 AM) Yeah, I'm pissed at Ozzie for blowing a 4-0 lead and all those walks he gave up, don't get me started on those. This was the type of game that should have been a battle of the bullpens after the 6th inning. I don't know of any other manager who would have pulled Cotts in that situation. .112 is unheard of!

Swing the f***ing bat! Good job Ozzie....I can't believe how anyone could defend him tonight.

QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:05 AM) This will hurt more if we lose now. Not really, at least we didn't quit.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:02 AM) Don't think that would have tied it. He COULD have hit a HR, but you just never know. Schill might have pitched differently with a 1 run lead. DOn't worry ursleves thinking like that. I know, but Schilling is not an automatic closer.

Oh boy Ozzie!

QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:03 AM) Probably not, but weren't you a guy a few minutes ago praising Francona for playing match ups? That's what Ozzie was doing. Ozzie didn't walk Renteria to get to Ortiz. Playing match-ups? Yes, Cotts is dominant against righties!

QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:01 AM) I'm not looking too much into that. The TV gun is wrong sometimes, registering a few MPH slow. It's not just tonight. He seemingly goes back and forth with his velocity each game. Of course, he still has a great fastball even if he's not at his peak. However, those 3mph can make the difference between jamming a hitter or allowing the hitter to drop the bat head on the ball.

QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:59 AM) Gimme a f***ing break. Horrendous pitching and bad fielding. Ozzie did nothing wrong. I wouldn't of had Buehrle starting the 7th, but oh well. Ortiz killed Jenks fastball and that's what you get for walking Renteria. Would you have pulled Cotts?

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:59 AM) I heard he has a changeup as well, either Farmio or AJ said it, but they said he doesn't need it as much (in their opinions) Screw a changeup, etc. Jenks has to be able to maintain his fastball from one game to the next. A 3 or 4 mph drop-off is pretty significant.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:58 AM) Its a pretty tough situation to put Jenks in. He is a rookie, expect some mistakes. I don't think many of us are mad at Jenks. Seriously, what more does Cotts have to do to have a longer leash with Ozzie?

Blum continues to impress with the White Sox.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:54 AM) In other bad news, Rex Grossman supposedly broke his ankle in 2 places and will require surgery. Season's over. Hopefully we won't sign Benson, and leave his ass on the streets. I hated the pick when we made it, and hate it more now.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) Bobby doesn't need a change. He's got all the stuff he needs, as good as Bobby can and will be he is going to go through some growing pains this year and that's perfectly fine. If Jenks doesn't have his good fastball, he's going to have to pitch his way over it. He's still young and inexperienced, so I'm not too worried. It's our manager that really puzzles me!

Good job coach!

Leaving Jenks in here is fine. What has pissed a lot of us off is that Cotts was taken out.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:47 AM) It tells me that Dustin is not 100% Why's that? Jenks was supposed to be our closer if Hermanson was hurt. Since he's in here, it seems to me that Hermanson would be able to go tonight.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:47 AM) Nevermind that Cliff hasn't been as solid as of late, Dustin has a bad back, or that all 3 have been worked fairly heavily... I meant in general. Go look at some of the high earned run totals our stating pitchers have given up recently. Ozzie is leaving them out on the mound until seemingly no more damage can be done. If anything, he should be trying to ease up on the innings our starting pitchers are going right now.

QUOTE(GBlum27 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:46 AM) Cotts vs. RH>Jenks vs. RH QUIT USING COTTS AS A LEFTY SPECIALIST Especially with the risk that Jenks won't have control when he comes in. Cotts is the type of pitcher that if you see he has his good release point/control going, you should leave him in.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:44 AM) Jenks in. Lots of moves this inning to protect the 1 run deficit. NO MOVES TO PROTECT THE GAME AN INNING EARLIER. Really is mind-boggling, isn't it? He trusts our starters more than he does our relievers. As great as our starters have been this year, our big 3 relievers of Cotts/Cliff/Dustin have been 3 of the best in baseball.

Cotts is such a stud. Ozzie is an absolute moron though.

Buehrle has a 4.50 ERA since the ASB.

Indians trail 8-4 going into the bottom of the 8th. If they comeback and win this game, I'm really not going to be happy.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:36 AM) Just hope he doesnt pull this managing s*** during the playoffs. If he is trying to get someone the win in the playoffs while they get destroyed it wont be cool. I'll say this right now: If the Sox make the playoffs, I'll do everyone a favor and not post in the gamethreads.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:34 AM) Maybe his pitching change philosophy is like his injury philosophy. You take the inning you should be yanked and add one. Bravo

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 01:32 AM) It's not always the smart decision, Ortiz could've easily hit one off of Cotts as he did Buerhle, but I hate it as a fan because it really slows everything down. Cotts hasn't allowed a run in 16 outings. Buehrle had gone 6 innings, and it was obvious he had nothing. The smart call is letting your bullpen try to win the game instead of leaving your starting pitcher out for another inning when he wasn't sharp.