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QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 12:02 AM) 4 blown saves in 19 opportunities as opposed to 27 holds I think shows hes much better suited for a set up man role and lefties last year hit .136 against him None of the 4 was in a true save situation, he was 15 for 15 in true save situations including 12 for 12 to finish the year with an 11.1 IP scoreless streak to go along with it. So he started off 3 for 7 in save situations serving as a setup man meaning a relinquished lead in the 7th would count as a blown save but finished the year a perfect 12 for 12 when given a real chance as closer. That being said 19 save situations is also much too small a sample size from which to draw any conclusions. Often you have to look a little deeper when dealing with save statistics.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 05:41 PM) For starters, I would suggest that you please check the 3 or 4 other threads that are centered around Adrian Gonzalez. Secondly, that package doesn't even come close to touching what the Padres would want, and Alexei is as old or older than Adrian Gonzalez is right now. I honestly don't think the Sox are going to be serious players for Adrian Gonzalez, but I've been wrong before. 6 months older than Gonzalez

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 03:44 PM) Halladay-Peavy-Buehrle-Floyd-Danks.. Jesus.. I don't care if our offense blew chunks and we played the rookies Danks2 and Flowers everyday (or even Lillibridge everyday), we are not being touched. KW is always thinking big regardless if it happens. Even with talks about him, Hudson is as good as gone though I doubt we have enough or even really made a run for it. I would. I'd have a huge problem with that. You also can't ignore the fact that Halladay is not a free agent, you'd have to relinquish a whole hell of a lot of talent in order to acquire him.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 03:00 PM) Teahen made almost $4M last year and will be hitting arb again. We're getting $1M from KC which should have us paying around $4M. That is a huge chunk of change when we're only looking at (from the sounds of it) a few million left to spend this offseason. He made $3.575M last year (which is not almost $4M), he'll be lucky to get $4.5M in arbitration.

If the Sox have less than $20M to spend right now then expect the payroll to be right at $90M on opening day.

UPDATED VERSION Removed Dye, Getz and Fields Added De Aza, Kotsay and Teahen

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 01:27 PM) Look Stat-y Stat-erton... Would you say a gap hitter would put more productive balls-in-play over the course of the season rather than the pop-out/fly-out/double play balls we've seen from the White Sox home run hitters? Personally, I could care less about month-to-month AVG/OBP is the outs are productive outs. Moving runners over, sacrifices, putting more pressure on the defense to make plays. And whether or not you consider that consistency, I do. Basically what you're looking for is a rather substantial downgrade in overall production if it means those 2 or 3 sub .740 OPS months contain maybe a few more weak groundouts to second and sacrifice bunts. Guys like Lyle Overbay (classic gap power) aren't "putting pressure on the defense" during their slumps they're weakly flying out to LF and grounding to second. Slumps aren't particularly pretty, doesn't matter what kind of hitter you are. Unless of course you want David Eckstein or Luis Castillo starting for you at 1B, they could probably play good team baseball 5 months out of the year.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) Of course, he did have 16 doubles in 204 ABs on the road (1 every 12.75 AB) vs. 12 in 174 ABs at home (1 every 14.5 AB), so I guess that proves your point. Expanding it out, though, as Thunderbolt says, gap hitters should be more consistent throughout the year and regardless of park. There are very few hitters who put up a consistent performance from month to month and these are generally the super elite of the league. a good .800 OPS hitter is typically going to have a couple .900 OPS months a .680 month or 2 and the rest will be somewhere in the .700's. You're not getting six .800 OPS months. Case in point: Adrubal Cabrera, not an elite hitter but he had a damn good season in 2009 finishing with 42 doubles (16th in baseball), 6 HR, .308 AVG, .799 OPS and .354 wOBA. A very valuable ballplayer putting up numbers that most teams would love to get out of a middle infielder. Did his gap power maker him a more consistent hitter from month to month? AVG/OPS .329/.877 .313/.773 .231/.538 .262/.743 .370/.915 .276/.734 no, no it didn't. What about a 10 HR/40 2B, .300 hitter like Alberto Callaspo? .379/.978 .260/.715 .283/.765 .316/.846 .255/.638 .336/.987

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 12:54 PM) Because gap hitters will hit more HRs at the Cell, while HR hitters won't necessarily hit more doubles. But HR hitters should hit more HR since a flyout to the warning track in most parks is a HR at the Cell. You could also argue that the small outfield of US Cellular Field would limit a gap hitter's opportunities to find the gap.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 01:02 AM) Good post except for this. Crisp is another outfield hack with a very weak arm. The people who watch Crisp regularly seem to think highly of him as a defender rating him at a 4.375 out of 5, the only concerns seem to be with lack of arm strength. He also has a career 5.8 UZR/150 in CF.

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Nov 7, 2009 -> 10:49 AM) That was a player option. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4631051 It was actually an escape clause. He signed a 2 year deal with the option to opt out of the 2nd year.

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 10:19 PM) First Basemen on the F/A Market(none are Boras agents FWIW) Honestly, I think if we get a 2005 Carl Everett like performance out of one of them or whomever our DH is, I'd be fine with it myself. His 2005 line FWIW: .251 BA., 23 HR, 87 RBI, and .311 OBP (Hopefully it would be higher though) .251/.311/.435/.745, 94 OPS+ is incredibly mediocre, Mark Teahen should be able to match that with ease. That was actually the 3rd worst OPS+ by a White Sox DH in the team's history. That sort of production out of your DH just doesn't cut it unless the rest of the offense is incredible or you're great at every other facet of the game.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 09:21 PM) I wouldn't mind Ankiel. Can he field? Not really, there's also the big question of whether or not he can hit or keep his head on straight or remain a major league ballplayer without the help of HGH.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 07:01 PM) Marte, but do we want him back? He's in the same boat as Rowand, if you're willing to take on that contract they'd probably give him away for free.

Sammy's looking um ... interesting these days.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 08:35 PM) Gold Glove recenty has been based on name value, All Star and MVP are based on production. You arent going to get an all star start or an MVP trophy if you arent one of if not the best at your position. Plenty of gold gloves are awarded every year to players based on their name(cough*jeter*cough) when there are plenty of players out there that are heads and tails better. You don't need any of this, only 1 word required: Palmeiro

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 08:29 PM) Good fielder and gold glover are different animals, as are all star and mvp. Fielding Bible >>>>>>>>>>> Gold Glove And the Fielding Bible says he's an elite defender.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 07:11 PM) Thats insane, don't you have to actually win the award to be a gold glover? Hes not that good Well, more importantly he's won a Fielding Bible award as well as finishing 2nd and 5th.

QUOTE (DABearSoX @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 05:24 PM) I am so glad soxtalk is not like this... Quote from a poster after the article on whietsox.com It wouldn't be hard at all to re-acquire all 38 players that saw the field for the Sox in '05. McCarthy would be the only marginally difficult acquisition.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 06:12 PM) Meh a shooter is a shooter, even really good ones. Honestly I don't like playing online all that much, I hate that there are so many annoying loser 16 year old kids that I have to play with. My biggest problem is that I don't have 8 hours a day to play online an hone my skills so it's real hard for me to hold my own online with these obsessive gamers so I lose interest quick.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 06:07 PM) I only count 3 guys that can get on base with at least a .350 clip (4 if you count Flowers). Flowers has the potential to do it, but counting on a rookie to do so right now is asking alot. And to hint.. Crawford has only done that twice in his career so I excluded him. We have the OPS guys.. I just want our offense to be alittle more stable all around with some OBP guys which I hope KW addresses this offseason. Not counting .348 is incredibly dishonest. He's averaged a .350 OBP, .800 OPS and 50 SB over the past 4 seasons. He's also arguably the best defensive LF in the game having one 3 of the last 4 fielding bible awards and finishing 2nd in that 1 other year.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 05:59 PM) Poor overall play (fielding and at the plate) is what I read when he lost his job to Ronnie Belliard the last month of the season and in the playoffs. Belliard was hurt in the last week of the season and he STILL started and played over Hudson. Tehan at 3B and Beckham at 2B >>>> Beckham at 3B and Hudson at 2B. http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpag...MLB&id=3415 Bolded: Yes because Belliard put up a 1.034 OPS for the Dodgers, he better get the start in the playoffs. Another reason why he lost playing time is because he was making an extra $10,000 for each PA in the final month of the season. Even with his struggles he put up a .350+ OBP and .710+ OPS in Sept/Oct. That's some moderately productive struggling. I'd also like to see an argument that supports all those '>'.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 05:51 PM) But he'd be playing in a much more offensive friendly park than Turner or PNC. I'm not saying he's going to put up a >900 OPS but I wouldn't be shocked if he put up an .850 or so OPS from the left side of the plate at a fair price and quite frankly that is just fine with me given our rotation. Yeah, .850 is about what he does (in the NL) and it's incredibly pedestrian for a 1B. Last year 15 first basemen put up an .870+ OPS.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 05:50 PM) You are exactly right. I would say that Konerko has a far more proven track-record than everyone but LaRoche. Konerko is widely regarded as a leader. Essentially Konerko has bigger name recognition and that could play a factor. But people pay for names. There is no question the Angels, Giants, and other teams would intrigued with the possibility of Konerko. He also has put up his numbers in the middle of the order as one of the main run producers of contending teams where as the other guys haven't. Not saying Paulie is 6 or 7M better than them, but I'd say he's better than some of them by close to that margin on a historical stand-point (in the sense that with Paulie, if he's healthy you know what you'll get). I don't think that's true at all. One call to someone familiar with the White Sox's situation and they're going to hear something very different. Aside from being old and a pretty good player (leading by example and seniority) Konerko doesn't demonstrate any of the qualities you look for in a team leader. I just don't see a team giving up talent and a substantial amount of money in order to acquire a 3rd tier name.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 05:38 PM) Is that counting his numbers for the whole year or just with Atlanta? He was a totally different player in Atlanta from Pittsburgh (which of course makes me wonder how he'll hit anywhere other than Atlanta0 Even in that one big year he had with Atlanta he demonstrated his penchant for vastly different pre/post AS break splits. With a .200 point difference in OPS between the 2. Also, success with Atlanta and failure with Pittsburgh doesn't equal success in Chicago.