Kalapse

If Minaya were offering up Martinez for Contreras KW would have made the deal already.

QUOTE(heirdog @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 12:52 PM) When you have a Beltran, Milledge and Gomez, you can give something up to win now and eventually they will. Martinez is going to be a top 5 prospect in baseball when the Top 100 is released next season. I don't see any reason why Minaya would deal him for an old, expensive pitcher who might be an upgrade over what they have now. You'll see Milledge dealt long before Martinez. Oh, the grammatical error in my original post was completely inexcusable. Just terrible really.

QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 12:43 PM) If you can get this done, I'll be you a lifetime pass to Sox park. I'll do it for anyone that can do this. I don't think the Yanks would give the Sox Hughes for all of the players you mentioned. On top of that the most you could probably get from the Mets for Contreras is likely Humber alone. The fact that people are even mentioning Martinez' name in conjunction with Contreras is laughable.

QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 11:55 AM) I'm not saying that I think Fields will be an All-Star but I think his defense will be fine, he can run a little bit so one less plodder on the bases and he'll hit in the .250-.280 range with an OBP of .330-.360 25-35 homeruns and knock in 90-110. That's my prediction. If he can do the low end of that, it'll be one less position for the Sox to worry about. Fill the other 5-6 holes. Yeah, I'm thinking he'll probably be a .700-.950 OPS player.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 09:47 AM) The more interest the better. Demand + one pitcher = lots of items coming back. I hope everyone jumps on this. If we see an injury on one of the teams we could see the price jump quite a bit. QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 09:51 AM) It would be splendid if one of the Mets starting pitchers or Dodgers starting pitchers gets injured. Also, it wouldn't hurt if Gappard gets rocked tonight for the Red Sox. I still think Schillings shoulder is the wildcard here. As of right now it looks like he'll miss 2 starts but the team doesn't know for sure. If he has a setback Epstein could get antsy.

With Buehrle gone after this year, Jose on his way out possibly by the break and a the strong possibility of Garland leaving after '08 (if not dealt before then) it would be nice to have some sort of veteran presence in the rotation. Vazquez' contract is pretty damn reasonable considering the production you get from him, it only makes sense to deal him if KW is overwhelmed. And yes, all the teams on Vazquez' no trade list are on the west coast.

Hilarious

I do find if funny that Rich hill is less than 12 months younger than Buehrle but yeah, the Cubs would never do that deal. Where have all the people calling Pie a bust gone? I seem to remember that being a topic of discussion this past offseason.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 12:00 AM) Crede for Baldelli....do it now! /semi-green I'd do it, the D-Rays wouldn't but I'd hope the Sox would.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 11:39 PM) Um, sir, I am unsure who this Jerome Robertson is. Jeriome Robertson, perhaps? And who really spells their name - pronounced jur-ohm - like it's pronounced jare-ee-ohm? I mean, talk about a completely useless and meaningless letter in a name. Sheesh. Oh yeah, and Danks rawkZ My apologies. I really should work on my spelling of s***ty rookie pitchers from 2003, I still have trouble spelling Joaquin.

Maybe severe depression brought on by steroid use? It has been known to happen.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:56 PM) No offense, but trading for Jones is idotic. He is a below average player. Why not let Ryan Sweeney play the rest of the season in the OF ? What good does acquiring Jones, and watching him hit .260, while we still don't know if a guy like Sweeney can play. He's a 32 year old mid-700 OPS outfielder with minimal speed and defensive ability who has a problem with authoritative personalities and is due $5M next season. On second thought, his .623 OPS this season would fit in perfectly with the rest of the Sox' lineup.

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:28 PM) Pitcher B. Unless pitcher A were the fifth starter and the team was in first place with, say, an 8 game lead. (I might've confused people again. Pitcher B is the superior pitcher--it just seems that his team sucks. Where pitcher A appears to be the lesser pitcher, but have a better team.) Exactly, so what the hell is the point of a pitcher's W/L record if it's so heavily weighted by the other 8 players around him (the team's offense especially)? There are so many other good stats, it's just such a damn shame that so many people decide to use a pitcher's W/L as some sort of barometer of success.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:10 PM) He was being sarcastic guys. Kalapse has always said he'd take the 3.00 ERA and 12 wins over the 5.50 ERA and 20 wins. I actually like to take it one step further. I'm all for abolishing the W/L record of pitchers altogether. It's a meaningless stat that does nothing but confuse people who don't know what to look for when using statistics to evaluate player performances. f*** Jerome Robertson, seriously. QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:16 PM) That's poor logic too. A pitcher is only as good as the players around him. Obviously some guys are flat out mutants (Johan Santana) but would Mark Buehrle really be 4-4 on the Red Sox or Angels? No. I've got the flu, by the way. I don't really understand any of this so I'll clarify a bit. Who would you rather have? PITCHER A: 8-7 w/ 4.90 ERA, 1.50 WHIP or PITCHER B: 2-8 w/ 3.46 ERA, 1.31 WHIP If someone were going by wins, which people like Hawk Harrelson tend to do, they would probably take player A.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:00 PM) What about 10 or more hits? 11-8

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:53 PM) Has anybody figured out our record when we get 12 or more hits? 5-1

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) Dummy Baker said if our starting pitching was better we would have a better record. Now I see why this fool is unemployed. I agree with him. Jose Contreras: 5-8 Equivalent: Carlos Silva (MIN) (5-8) Mark Buehrle: 4-4 Equivalent: Brian Bannister (KC) (4-4) John Garland: 4-5 Equivalent: Aaron Cook (COL) (4-5) Javier Vazquez: 3-5 Equivalent: Matt Chico (WAS) (3-5) John Danks: 4-6 Equivalent: Kameron Loe (TEX) (4-6) So the White Sox starting rotation is essentially: 1.)Carlos Silva 2.)Brian Bannister 3.)Aaron Cook 4.)Matt Chico 5.)Kameron Loe Surely the Starting staff could pitch better than this, I mean come on Carlos Silva is not a #1 starter.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:26 PM) What are they supossed to do, hang their head after every win because of how bad this season has gone? The overdone celebration was basically sarcasm by our entire coaching staff, and I can't blame them for trying to have some fun in an otherwise very s***ty situation. It's embarrassing that the season has come to this.

So is anyone even going to bother making a winner thread?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:23 PM) Guillen and the coaching staff looked like they just won the Series. Awesome. That was pretty embarrassing. A win over the Devil Rays should be a given.

Haha, he confused Dioner Navarro for Greg Norton. f***, losing streak ends.

S***. I think they're going to win this one.

So what does Ozzie do during the games now-a-days? I remember back in the day when Ozzie would run out on to the field and chew an ump out when he was giving Sox players a s***ty zone. As a matter of fact I seem to remember most good to great managers doing the same. I don't think Ozzie has been ejected even once this season for arguing balls and strikes.

Dear god Thome's having a terrible night.