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QUOTE(KevinM @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 03:02 PM) If this is a swipe at me, I don't get it. I was backing you up. The Crede minion is running in circles. And I stand by that statement. We are going nowhere. It was a joke. Hence the green. I don't agree that we are the worst org out there. However, I think our minor leagues need a refresh to say the least.

QUOTE(KevinM @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 02:59 PM) You are running in circles. We are the worst organization in baseball.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 02:51 PM) Fields can work out those kinks in AAA, while Crede wins GG's and SS awards. Face it Crede is starting and Fields will be in AAA come opening day. How can you project a Silver Slugger award or equal offensive output when he has done it exactly once in his career. When he wins a gold glove let us know. Owens and Uribe will start as well, doesnt make it right.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 02:43 PM) I do think they are pretty equal at the plate but the difference is in the field. Fields just stinks at 3b, it's just that simple. It's a pretty important position to be good at and he stinks. I value Crede's D and to many people under value it. You should take a look at Crede's first taste in the majors with regards to fielding. You would of run him out of town with pitchforks. More errors in less games, yikes. Thank god we let him get better.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 02:30 PM) Well you know what they say about opinions and assholes. Or what they say about Ad Hominem attacks.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 02:24 PM) Yeah you're right below average hitters hit 30 HR and 90 RBI. All I'm trying to point out is in 2008 Crede will help the White Sox win more games then Josh Fields. That's the most important thing right? Winning games in '08. Crede did that once in his career. Yet you think that makes it an automatic lock to repeat. He had a few years of action before that in the majors where he didnt produce at that level. What will he produce at, the one season, or the few season he produced before it. You will argue that he has matured as a hitter and this will be what we will see from now on. But this of course doesnt apply to the new 3rd baseman. He will suck forever. He hit 23 homers over a shorter season, and had 67 RBIs in 373 ABs. Yet he will never get better. Why. Do you realize that projected over a season, the production numbers from power and RBI are better than Crede's best season. Crede's Crew is quickly becoming more of a homer base than the Legend of Aaron Rowand.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 03:15 PM) Ventura's best year with Sox: 34 HR 105 RBI .368 OBP .520 SLG .287 AVG Crede's best year with Sox : 30 HR 94 RBI .323 OBP .506 SLG .283 AVG Sure Ventura was awesome and everybody's favorite but not exactly Ventura>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Crede How many times did Joe put up those numbers. Take a gander at what Robin did again, and please take off the Crede's Crew blinders. Ventura's OPS+ numbers average over his career are better than Joe's best season.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 02:02 PM) Ohh give me a F---ing break. Frank Thomas? He was with the team for over 15 years, bad example. The others are 5 players you picked from the last 20 years, every organization in sports can pick 5 players over the last 20 years that have traded their own. How about more recent players like Buehrle and Konerko, they took somewhat of a discount to stay with the organization. I think if you made a reasonable offer to Crede for like 4 years- 28 million he would take it. This would be the best thing they could do. He plays better then good defense, it GG caliber D and watching Fields boot balls last season should make everyone apprecitate how important Joe is at 3B. Joe Crede couldn't hold Ventura's jock, yet we let him go. Ventura of the actual Gold Glove defense ( 6 of them) and the real offense. Yet he could go. Yet you are shocked that they are talking about moving Crede for a guy they drafted number one, seem pretty high on, and showed offensive promise.

My only question on battery powered cars is how they will work in the winter here. Leaving a car out all day in sub zero temperatures might limit that milage a bit here. Down in the south it should work fine all year long.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 01:34 PM) If they offer him a reasonable deal, then yes he would sign it. We all know who his agent is and you're dumb if you think the Sox wouldn't deal with him over personal problems, the man represents some of the best players. The Sox invested years developing Crede and as soon as he comes around everyone wants him gone. Stick with Crede and trade Future "poor mans" Adam Dunne. Lets just ignore the evidence that is well documented on how the sox deal with Boras. We avoid his players like the plague in FA, even in the draft yet you think that we will suddenly work out a long term deal with Crede because of what, faith. What exactly is the long term deal that you would offer a medicore offensive 3rd baseman who had one good year, plays good defense, and has just come off back surgery. I realize that they have invested a lot of years of development, but you realize that this is not the first time the sox have traded one of their own, or let one of their own go. Players like Wilson Alvarez, Alex Fernandez, Robin Ventura, Jack McDowell, Frank Thomas, and others would of played their career out with the sox if they only looked to the investment of draft picks and development time. Its a business, and to be perfectly honest betting 4 to 5 years on Crede for a lot of money wouldnt be all that smart.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 01:14 PM) How is Fields a better fit then Crede? Let's see...Crede plays near GG defense, while Fields looks lost out there and Crede won the silver slugger award in '06 while Fields is yet to play a full season. By my calculations Crede is better offensively and defensively. Seams like the better fit would be the better player. I say start the season with Crede, if he's healthy offer a multi-year deal and trade Fields. More crazy trade's from members of Crede's crew. They tried to talk to Crede's agent who told them to bug off we want to go to FA. Yet lets trade Fields the player under control for years and keep the guy who had one good season, and sucked as a batter for the rest and is a FA.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 01:08 PM) Can't argue with injuries. Or hitting breaking balls. If Richar is hurt and Ramirez looks like Pedro Serrano at the plate and Chuck Knoblauch in the field, then he's not ready, so who does that leave? If Quentin is hurt and Anderson is hitting well and Owens is doing alright, there you go. Just because the Sox break camp without Richar, Quentin and Fields, that doesn't mean that's the way it's going to be for long. When exactly did Uribe learn to hit a breaking pitch. He swings at crap that bounces into the plate, he takes monsterous cuts at the plate when you need a single. He is the ultimate all or nothing player. He has decided that cakes and pie over showing up in shape in his FA year is another thing to do as well. Ramirez already shows more potential at the plate than Mr. All or Nothing. The only reason I would send him down, is for more fielding practice. But his bat already can match S&C at this point.

Now in about a day or so, Couch (Marriotti Jr.) will write a follow up article basically rehashing the same things his big brother piped up about.

At some point I would shut out the suntimes from both the bulls and the sox. They can buy the AP feed.

QUOTE(Cali @ Mar 9, 2008 -> 10:23 PM) Okay there's definately such a thing as taking a bad photo, but GOOD LORD: Thats this years mugshot. He looks like he's like a few cheeseburgers away from 270.... Snacks and Cakes will waddle out to 2nd this year. He is the Aretha Franklin of 2nd baseman.

QUOTE(gosox41 @ Mar 9, 2008 -> 03:53 PM) Am I the only who thinks that KW is going to seriously undervalue Crede and give him away for a guy like this or that guy Cain in San Fran. IMHO, a team that wants to win now and needs a third baseman should give up a lot more then that. Joe is provin to be healthy and mobile. Sure he's a one year rental, but if you're in a win now mode you're getting a defensive stud wh ocan hit 30 HR's. Maybe I overvalue Joe but Joe is at least worth a good #3 starter or 2-3 very good propsects with one being a can't miss prospect. There's zero reason to trade Crede for an injured emergency starter...unless you're an idiot. The Sox have a chance to shore up their rotation or get some depth in the minors in case some of these older guys break down. Don't screw this up Kenny!!!!!! Bob

A wonderburger from 111th and Kedzie. A rootbeer from Frosted Mug in Alsip. Cheese Fries from Johns Hot dogs at 147th and Pulaski in Midlothian. You need a fork to eat them. Big Baby(double cheeseburger with onions and more onions) from Nicky's in Alsip. A Gyro from what used to be King Gyro at 111th across from kmart in Alsip. A king sized Turkey sub from Mr. Submarine on Western. A becky thatcher breakfast ( 2 eggs, pancakes, and sausage ) at Huck Finns in Oak Lawn on Cicero. Nino's sausage pizza in Alsip. Guinness Beef Tips at Kerry Piper in Willowbrook

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 7, 2008 -> 06:02 PM) Haha. I don't know why, but I've always seen the worst of society at Keegans more than any other south side bar I've ever gone to. This includes Brewbakers, BJ Fellows, Jordans; which are all 4am bars. Well, BJ Fellows used to be before Alsip wised up. I've already seen three fights and (to my memory) three people puke out in the open. If you man up and go to the parade, look for a someone with a green shamrock on their white/green hat outside or within Cork and Kerrys. Sideburns, about 6'2, black jacket. There will probably be a fair amount of people fitting that description, so just go up to everyone and say "Flash?" I'll be the one who doesn't punch you. BJ Fellows, :giggles, so Flash was cougar hunting I see.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Mar 8, 2008 -> 12:06 AM) They'd tell Hawk to pipe down. Think about the Hawk factor. He makes silly comments like I would rather have every player on the whitesox, and then goes position by position on how his team is better than everyone in baseball. He made a comment about how Crede is Brooks Robinson in a broadcast when they were playing against the Orioles. Now we have people parroting that comment referencing Crede and Brooks in the same breathe.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 7, 2008 -> 11:51 PM) I just dont f***ing get it here anymore. Rock its the same comments you see when people were comparing Crede to Arod and then used the, well Crede has a ring. Well so does Geoff Blumm, Neal Cotts, and Willie Harris. Are they immortalized forever. No. Thank you Joe for your contribution. I hope you and Boras break the bank. Soon it will be time to turn the page, and the legend of Joe Crede will live on. Just like the people who blame Thome for 06. They think that Rowand + 06 = 2nd championship. They have this selective memory that forgets how our pitching sucked, and Thome pretty much put the team on his back in April and carried them out of the gate. If it was nt for Mr. Incredible we would be talking about 2 back to back bad seasons.

And before anyone jumps in with the clutch argument. Robin had 18 grand slams. And was a pretty damn clutch hitter himself.

I have a question for Crede's crew. In their prime, perfectly healthy. Which would you rather have on your team. 1.) Robin Ventura or 2.) Joe Crede

One of my favorite bar stories from the SSI parade. At Keegans after the parade. A few years ago I had some fat read headed guy with the last name of Kowalski tell me that he was more Irish than me because he had Freckles and had 30% of a liver intact. 20 minutes later O'Kowalski was vomitting up cheap green beer. Then he was making out in the bathroom with what was a 46 year old nasty looking bar fly. Later he was attempting I believe to do the riverdance, screaming the "WEEEREE DA SSSSOUTH SIDE IRISH LKEEE AREE FATTERS ARE BEFFOOORE.". I stepped over him on the curb about an hour later, with 2 of his friends trying to drag him to the car. Have fun at the parade guys, and keep safe. Its good to have fun, and its basically Irish Marti Gras. This parade is a lot of fun, and depending on the weather I may or may not be there.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Mar 7, 2008 -> 02:17 PM) Maybe he does like it here. Why is it wrong in your opinion to be a fan of a real good Sox player? I think we can suspend with the sarcastic criticism of other Sox fans can't we? You have an opinion and others of us have different ones. It don't make it wrong by any means. I am a fan of the whitesox first and foremost. I have seen a lot of players a hell of a lot better than Mr. Crede get moved and released over my timeline. I have not been happy with them, but understand that this is a business. Yet we keep seeing thread after thread on moving every single player, trading guys that produce a hell of a lot more than Crede, and then poof he will sign a long term deal based on faith and nothing more. A open forum like this is for the posting and debating of opinion. You make a point, I make a counter point. I base my views on documented evidence, you base it on how you really really really like the player.

QUOTE(Adam G @ Mar 7, 2008 -> 12:31 PM) Move Konerko to Anaheim while he is ripping the cover off the ball. Put Fields at first, leave Swisher in left. If you want to move Konerko because he will be a 5 and 10 guy sure I can understand. If you want to move Konerko because you are a Crede-fanboy and will trade anyone, and Jingle the lineup because you have this fantasy that he really really likes it here. And then you completely suspend belief and think that Boras and the sox will come up with a long time deal. I think you will wind up sad and confused in a bit.