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QUOTE(Sox It To Em @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 09:21 AM) According to the guys at WSI, Bruce Levine is reporting that the Sox are very close to another big trade (sorry if already been posted). KW is doing the same exact thing he did last year. Sign on the dotted line, or you are traded. Does everyone think that somehow that draft picks are cool now. Because that is what you get if you dont pay for them. And as we have found out before, not every team is ready to give up their best group of players for a rental.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 08:19 AM) lets say thats true, we are a far cry from vernon wells. We received nothing. Demoralizing, for a sox fan. What happened to win now? KW for the last three years said he wanted to win now. Appears thats gone. What can we get for 10 million? not much. In addition, I will assume they will use that money to pay crede and buerhle's raises. You will be dissapointed. I know you hate young players and figure that vets should be on the field at all times. But what was your solution. Did you really think that should of resigned Freddy at current market, or did you want to get a one year rental on a wells type player. I mean the draft pick is pretty sexy, but do you really think that teams were willing to give up major league grade a talent for a 1 year rental.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 07:47 AM) KW better be ready again this year for the wrath at SoxFest Town Hall Meeting. Why? Are there foolish people that believed we should of broke the bank to pick up Freddy. Or are there people who believe every single rumor and think that KW turned down super oober prospects and tried to get Gavin because KW is just a blind moron who doesnt know what he is doing. Or are there people who read Kotex boy and think that we are really going cheap. That the 100 million dollar payroll is just a mirage and really we are the Marlins. These people need to chill the f*** out.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 01:12 AM) Yippee...I'm all atingle. I posted on another board that he'll probably be on IR by July from the snap in his neck watchin' all the rockets fly outta the Cell. He will cost 10 million dollars less than the other guy who gave up 32 of those last year.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:57 AM) He's a righty. I was talking about GIO.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:53 AM) I highly doubt Floyd ends up in the rotation. He'll either start in AAA or pitch out of the pen. We know about his fastball and his curve, but does anybody know anything about his change? Maybe he's just a two pictch pitcher. Or he could be a loogy with that curve.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:42 AM) ^^^ I've become ok with the Garcia trade. Bonds would push me way over the edge... Here is how a landscape changes folks.... So the Mets could possibly get either one year of Freddy, or they could get possibly one of the As young starters. HMMMMM which one would you pick The Mets are interested in an A's starter, but it's not Rich Harden. Outfielder Lastings Milledge is the bait. I could give up major league talent and get Freddy Garcia, or maybe I could get Brad Penny. HMMM which one would I pick Now that the Dodgers have added starters Randy Wolf and Jason Schmidt, they have enough depth in the rotation to trade a starter for a bat. Two baseball people said the Dodgers are shopping right-hander Brad Penny.

I love how people are posting Floyds Career ERA, the 23 year old kid mind you. I guess once you hit 24 and your ERA is still bad its time to retire.

QUOTE(bmags @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:20 AM) when ted f***ing lilly is getting 4 for 40 When exactly is Freddys contract up again. And how much will Philly have to fork out to sign him. Its not like The Phillies got a major steal and freddy is under their control forever. They will pay and pay dearly for the pleasure of having Freddy take the mound. Freddy was calling his agent all the time asking about rumors. I bet his agent was calling him and saying did you see what Lilly just got, CHA CHING!!!!

QUOTE(Frank the Tank 35 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:10 AM) Sheffield lands NY that sweetass package, and this is all we could muster?? I can't believe we just made Pat Gillick look smart. Trade Konerko now and you will get the prospects you are looking for. We traded a pitcher who admittedly said that he doesnt like to geek up for lesser talent, who had problems hitting his normal velocity for most of the season and is in his walk year. But I forget the Pelfrey, Humber and money was coming our way for Garcia.

"What we'd be talking about honestly are numbers and years I'm not comfortable with," Williams said about contract extensions before agreeing to the Garcia trade. How much are you willing to pay Freddy. How about a nice 5 year 75 million dollar deal. Do you think that Wiliams balked at a 3 year 30 million dollar deal? They had a talk with Garcia and he said JACKPOT, and we ditched him. But I agree with you, the draft pick would of been a better long term option.

Williams believes Floyd's hard sinker will be effective at U.S. Cellular Field. Phillies assistant general manager Mike Arbuckle said he wouldn't be surprised. "I think Gavin's going to be a little bit of a late bloomer," Arbuckle said. "I've compared him to Chris Carpenter. I compare him to the [Jon] Garland kid. He was a little slow to come around. When he did, he was a very good major-league pitcher. Gavin certainly has quality pitches, stuff, athleticism to be very good." I have said as long as I have been on this site, there are 2 types of pitchers that the sox should draft unless they want to rebuild the cell. Sinkerballers or guys who can K people.

So what if KW had a chat with Buerhle and Garcia and both of them said, thanks but no thanks I want to make megabucks next year. So getting one year out of the two of them, and then neat sandwich draft picks is so much better than ditching them now and getting something in return that can help us be competitive for the next 4 years. The people that are saying go for it this year without thinking about next year, are the same people who said I dont care if the sox suck for 5 years as long as they win one championship in my lifetime. Well guess what, I was still greedy after the one championship as you are all now.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:38 PM) And fathom said it all. That article on our future is scary. Suddenly we've become the Marlins again. All about saving money. My god. After drawing all those millions of fans this year. What has happened in the last 24 hours? We've become a small market team again??? Sad, very sad. Oops this got added to my last post; wanted to make sure it was seen. Take a gander at our payroll and then tell me how we are the f***in marlins again. We traded a pitcher who is about 11 months away from making a s***load of money. Or was it your contention to spend a 4 -5 year 12 - 15 million dollar a year deal on him next year. Good Grief.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) Ok use those stats. take last years. Again use what you want but he still has not proven himself. Again, I wouldn't mind him being a fifth starter if we would have gotten a bit more in return to fill the other holes we have. I am not argueing Mcarthy, I am argueing the trade. Funny 9-10ths of the people here hate this trade but it seems as if people take exception with my comments. We have a new market where crappy pitchers are getting 10 million dollar 4 year deals. How much will Garcia get on the open market. What again is his incentive to sign a long term deal for less. So basically whomever gets Garcia will get his services for 07, either sign him for megabucks or get a nifty draft pick that is less likely to succeed than Gavin or Bmac or Gio. Everyone here over estimates the value of our players, as I have said before somewhere between what we feel is a good deal, and the guys over at PhillyPhan who are upset that they gave up Gio, is where reality is. Just because someone leaked a made up deal doesnt mean that it was impending. If KW could of got Santana for Garcia or Pelfrey for Garcia or Brad Lidge for Garcia he would of been shipped off yesterday.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) I like Ledezma, Miller isn't going to be ready for a bit, no matter how quickly they want to rush him. Didnt millers arbitration clock start based on the stunt they had to pull, promoting him due to some contract item that Boras put in.

Its over-reaction city here at Soxtalk. Its the first week of December, half the people here had a stroke when we got rid of Gio. and lets take a look at other possible deals before we s*** the bed. The White Sox reportedly weren't willing to part with Brandon McCarthy in talks regarding Rocco Baldelli. Did they really think Tampa Bay would be interested in Freddy Garcia? McCarthy has to be on the table if the White Sox are going to make a major deal with a rebuilding club. I wonder if Tampa would say take a Gavin Floyd/Gio/prospect combo. Relax people. Half the names we had seen as trade matches for Garcia were our bulls*** and conjecture anyways. They gave up this for a one year rental. Garcia is not signed for a few years. He is a one year rental. Keep remembering that.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:55 AM) +1 No wonder they didn't go for it. Lackey is their best combination of consistency, experience, and health. I find it odd that the Angels have been offering Santana as trade bait, but teams like TB and (apprently) the Sox seem hesitant to deal for him. Maybe there's something about him that we don't know. Well to be fair, anytime anyone deals with TB there is a big AND when you start talking about prospects. I want CC Well give us Santana AND 2 high stud prospects, and 1 lower prospect.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:45 AM) I'd prefer Santana out of the 2. Big John Lackey is better than Santana. Out of the 2 I would like Lackey. Now I would take either, however.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 09:27 AM) if we sign bonds, i dont tune in next season. book it. I hate Barry Bonds mind you. But to play devils advocate, what if it meant winning the 07 WS. Not that I think it would for any reason, but what if signing him was the last piece of the puzzle, would you then disavow the sox due to your hatred of a player. I love the Whitesox and might hate a player, but if that player plays the for the whitesox then he is one of us.

WGN Radio had a clip of Ozzie running his mouth about how Brandon is going to AAA, because he doesnt want to pitch out of the pen and he has no right to ask to pitch in the rotation. Ozzie needs to learn how to keep his top lip and his bottom lip together more. Ozzie must be getting twitchy now that KW might trade his relative.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 04:52 PM) And, are thare really that many people that are completrely bewildered by proper comdom use? And if so, will thos braniacs be able to master this thing? Those are the same brainiacs that use the combination of ....

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 10:13 PM) If this is so why did Mackowiack play a ton of CF last year? BA will one day be better than Rowand, but as of right now he is not. The same reason Timo Perez was a DH, a 1st baseman, and our first option from the bench in 05.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) Too bad we had to give up Aaron in the first place. Anderson wasn't ready and it cost us dearly. I don't know why we had to trade him instead of "prospects" like the Yankees always used to do in deals. Lesson learned: Don't trade a guy unless you can replace him. You may hate Rowand, but his absence left a huge hole to fill. The large amount of money that they sent back so we could afford Thome, was the reason that Rowand went. Thome is getting paid a lot more than we are paying him I hope you realize. Huge hole, come on now. How is our CF hitting in the low 200s a huge hole, yet our SS can do it and he is considered okay. We lost last year because our pitching sucked, and our offense decided to play Saturday beer league softball in the 2nd half. If one of those was fixed we would of won the division.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 05:29 PM) Well, the one thing about young hitting is it tends to be more consistent than young pitching, and hitting as a whole tends to be more consistent from year to year than pitching. I like having the young pitching because of the price, but as we all saw last year, you never quite know what you are getting for sure from your pitching staff. I think the main consideration here is we know what we would get from Crawford, whereas we can't be certain what we'll get from McCarthy. So after we get more offense, can we get Felix Diaz back so he can pitch out of our rotation. Everyone preaches how pitching won in 2005, then the minute we can get another offensive player we all go ga ga for it. We had Valentin, Carlos Lee, Maggs, Thomas, Konerko and couldnt finish first for the most part in our own division which was piss poor up until recently. Those teams looked like world beaters on paper, then the twins pitched us into the dirt.