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QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 07:16 PM) I agree with this. As I recall, Freddy looked washed up one year for Seattle too, and bounced back pretty damn well. He's not old. So count me out for trading a guy who will probably win another 100 games in his career for a middle reliever and a prospect. The Sox have usually been the ones trading the "can't miss" guys for valuable players. I'm not ready to be on the other end of those kinds of deals -- not when we're trying to win another World Series. Freddy wasnt throwing in the 80s in Seattle. He was a pitcher who would pitch well at Safeco and his numbers away werent the same.

Shockingly the Mets werent into the can we have one of your best relievers and one of your best young arms for our pile of poo. Then again maybe they remember the entire Kazmir debacle. Pelfry and Sanchez for Garcia would get KW a book deal ala Billy Beane.

QUOTE(Sonik22 @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 04:16 PM) In the course of a weekend, according to the 4 sports experts, the white sox are not gonna make the playoffs. Man the season is over! I officially hate this show. They had the worst arguments i have ever heard. Apparently both garcia and vazquez are on the block. Last i checked KW denied that. Apparently getting swept is a telltale sign that this season is over. We might as well give up, right? This was the first time we got swept this season. The same thing happened last year. We didn't get swept last year until the weekend before the all-star break. Then we came back and kicked ass. I believe that this team hasn't played their best baseball, and even after getting swept we are still 3 games up on the Yankees. Yeah the SP sucks right now, but at this same time last week these same people said the yankees would be the odd man out and that the sox would win the central. Flip-floppers Piss me off. Ozzie, you need to fire up our guys and stick it to the tigers! just my .02 If having a team in front of you playing good baseball while they get to beat up on one of the worst teams in baseball doesnt fire you up to play the Yankees whom are in 2nd for the wildcard, do you think some knucklehead guys at ESPN are going to do it. This team doesnt need a fire and brimstone speech or a picture of a bunch of people not believing them. They need their starting pitching not to suck. If we pitch even half way decent with our Offense we run away with this thing. But when our pitching gives up runs like crazy then no matter how good your O is, you will come up short. Pitch better, catch the ball, selfless hitting with RISP and we will be fine. Pitch like s***, drop the ball, try and hit homers when all you need is a single to tie the game, and then we are the 2001-2004 whitesox. Hit the ball, catch the ball, throw the ball.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:59 PM) Heh. Nice sig Kalapse. Some of his best work yet.

The cubs have one good healthy young pitcher. So you suggest they trade that guy, for one guy who lost a ton of velocity on his fastball and someone who has been a gas can. Did you take off the fair trades setting on your xbox for that one.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:42 AM) Someone in the NL with a pitcher's park e.g Los Angeles, San Diego I think will end up trading for Freddy. Garcia's shown he can still be dominant, just not against high quality hitting teams in the A.L. I hope you are right. Freddy and his pedestrian fastball against good hitting AL teams is bad. In our park is real bad. In the grand canyon of some of those parks you are talking about he might do good. The NL is bad, and a medicore pitcher in the AL can be a 2 or a 3 in the NL. This rotation needs more bmac.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 11:51 PM) UP TO THE SECOND SP TRUST LEVELS: - 5.) Freddy Maddux - No real reason for him to be pitching for this team in August. I wonder if we had radar gun wars between El Duque and Freddy who would throw harder. It seems like we replaced El Duque of last year, with our new version. Except this version doesnt know when to go on the DL. Hopefully he has a horseshoe up his ass like last years. Remember last year, when El Duque was rested he would break 90 and would dominate. When he was tired and needed DL time he would be in the 80s and would be getting rocked.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:46 AM) This team needs more Brandon McCarthy. Thats what I am talking about.

Nice tiddy little review of our big game pitcher.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:45 PM) Mack would be much better suited to spell Dye, IMO. I'd be willing to stomach Thome at first for a game, DH'ing Rob or Alex as well. Our team has had time off. This is the first series off of the allstar break. Dye and Konerko only played a few innings so they cant be tired. None of our regulars should be tired. There is a day off tomorrow.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:32 PM) I wouldn't mind seeing Cintron at SS against Bonderman, and I would understand Mackowiak playing somewhere against him also. In that large real estate of CF Mack would be a butcher. He wouldnt have a prayer out there. Running down liners into the gap. I would rather have Anderson and his approach. He could get a hit off of Randy, he can get a hit off of Mussina. He can go up against Bonderman.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:32 PM) lol I see way more exaggerated bashing around here. Predicting doom may be the cool thing to do, but there's nothing wrong with a little realistic optimism. Sleep have you watched our supposed number 2 pitcher Freddy throw this year. Have you noticed anything funny about the velocity. Do you think he is just mothballing his fastball for the postseason for whatever reason, or maybe there is something there. Sleep do you see the pitching staff overall. Any similiarities to 2001-2004. In fact great O, medicore pitching staff, bad fundamentals, too reliant on the long ball. That is pretty much the formula for the Pre 2005 world champion whitesox. We have a great offense this year. I figured our pitching would drop a bit. I had no idea how far it would drop though. Our pitching is downright horrid outside of Garland and the Count right now. If we were pitching okay, and hitting like we were and this was a slump. I wouldnt have a problem. But our pitching really hasnt been there all year long.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:15 PM) What've you got? I won't predict wins, but I will say, "More than Detroit." I think Javy will be our second best pitcher, behind the Count. Bmac into the rotation. 2nd best pitcher in August behind the Count. Freddy DLd or traded. Anderson hits 280 from here on out for the rest of the year. He starts to show more power in late August.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:12 PM) Even the Rally Crede can't help a Freddy Garcia 86 MPH fastball. But either dealing Garcia or putting his tired arm on the DL can. Maybe the Rally Crede can help us with that. Ozzie needs to start his A team against the Tiggers this series. No resting of any f***ing starters unless they are on the verge of death. No f***ing Widger because X pitcher is a lefty. No Cintron because I want to give Gooch a rest. No Mack because we need a more lefty based lineup. You want to pinch hit late in the game to get a matchup, go for it. You start any of those, or more to the point large numbers of those on the silly idea of getting guys fresh then how about a no.

QUOTE(Drew @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:12 PM) The '05 Sox lost 7 in a row and had a horrid August, and look what happened to them. There's a lot of ball left, and although we're not out of it, it smarts getting swept by the only team in baseball that I really truly hate. 15 game lead in 2005 that went down to 1 1/2 games. We have a 4 1/2 game decifit in our division, and a 3 game lead on the wildcard. Apples and Oranges to last year.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:09 PM) I see you have lost some faith. Be strong and let the power of the Rally Crede be your guide And to think we make fun of the fans to the north for doing the same thing that this thread is preaching.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) Makes them keep their "eyes on the prize" all the more As they are to all of us. They sure look motivated to me.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:02 PM) All right, I'm not totally alone! If he starts to throw better pitches on 2 strikes he will be fine. If he throws very hittable pitches on 2 strikes and then has a mental breakdown then he wont. He has all the tools. Just needs a shrink.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 04:59 PM) A win's a win, my boy, any way you can get them I think our offense is fine for the most part. They just have to resist the urge to get homer happy. Remembering that linedrives are okay. Going oppo when men are in scoring position is a good thing. Our pitching needs to man up all around. Bmac needs to be in the rotation, and we need another arm in the pen. Anyone in here trying to draw comparisons from last August need to drop that. We had a nice cushy 15 game lead on the next best team in our division. We blew nearly all of it. This year we are sitting at a nice 4 1/2 game deficit and a 3 game cush for the wildcard. Our fallback cannot be so far this year. If we slump like we did in august we are done.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 04:54 PM) Didn't the sox win the previous 7 or 9 series before dropping the last two? Okee Dokee, you're on! Some of that was against the NL central. The NL central was a real tough division to run up some winning streaks on. The Royals could challenge the NL Central for dominance.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 04:42 PM) I'm happy to see you objecting on behalf of those who WERE reacting knee-jerk about the bullpen. Garland flipped a switch all of a sudden from bad-to-mediocre to good and solid, and Vazquez went from good-to-shady suddenly, too, all within this season. I don't think I'm stretching to say that our starters'll be okay, but I guess, considering how everyone's reacting, we'll have to wait and see. Garlands velocity has been the same all year long. Garland was constantly getting into 2-0 counts. Thats why he was struggling. Vazquez was facing bad teams. How many times can you face the Royals. The minute he started facing good teams he started getting hit and hit well. Plus have you seen Vazquezs overall records for the last few years. He is having his prototypical season so far. Garcia is noticibly not throwing the same velocity this year. He is quite down. Every so often he will hum it in there for a few innings. But for the most part his velocity is quite down. A physical issue is not something you can overcome, if you are hurt. You cannot magically flip a switch when you cant throw hard long anymore.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 04:33 PM) I've watched McCarthy before, thanks. I know he's good, I just don't look at him and say "Ace." We'll find out next year. This year, if some of you get your way. Consider yourself excluded from the statement. I too think we could use another righty out of the pen, but I feel good about our pen, overall, and wouldn't be devastated if no trade occurred. So when are the starters who have been who they have been pretty much all year, sans Buerhles last starts, are they going to flip this magical switch. When is Freddy going to magically bring his A game stuff. Right now Bmac gives us a better chance to win than Freddy who is trying to be Greg Maddux all of a sudden.

Anderson is stroking the ball. Maybe he can give some pointer to the rest of the team on the nice line drive swing he has. The rest of them think its a saturday night softball game where the more you crack it over the fence the more beer you get.

If he throws strike one, keeps the ball down, and runs his sinker in on righties he will shut down the tiggers. On that point, our team needs to man the f*** up. Waving Wendell Cora needs to read a baseball book on when is the appropriate time to send a runner that my 60 year old father could probably beat in a footrace. It would suggest that when the ball is received by the LF and the slow runner hasnt even made it to 3rd is probably a bad time to waving at the runner. Our team needs to go back to hitting line drives, and stop the pull monkey pull it over the fence crap. If a ball is hit to you, catch it, if the runner is going to score on a single throw the ball into second so the trailer does get into 2nd to make a bad inning worse. If they do a few of these things we should be okay. And the sooner Bmac is in the rotation, the better.

Paul is in his pull monkey mode were he tries to pull every single pitch no matter were it is. Today they exploited that by throwing changeups and slow crap on the outside corner. Paulie was much ablidged to work out the SS on that or pop it up. Line drive swings win ball games. Being a softball team that tries to jerk pitches over the fence no matter what the situation is reminds me of the 2001-2004 Offense we strolled in here time after time.