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Proven true. Getz said Moonie about 20 times in the press conference.

Cheap Trick at Budokan '78. Or you could go with Bob Dylan in '79.

Im glad you use stats in your arguments. I'm weary of the haters usuall eye test BS generalitites and ghosts of White Sox past to extol predictions of woe. You ask for context, examples, stats, or reasons and you get "I dont need no stinking context" .

Thats pretty cool. I didnt know that's been going on for 50 years in Japan.

I try not to look too far ahead. I'm just enjoying watching the jigsaw puzzle being put together . Every piece forms a clearer picture . Build the framework , then fill it in see if what you got has a strong bond.

How did he listen to you ? He just has continued doing the work he already started if you're claiming victory for the hire of Mr. Rodriguez. Please enlighted me as to how you are now claiming Getz listened to you ?? Did he suddening become acceptable now because he hired a guy from Tampa ? He's been upgrading international player developmment and player development in general for much of the last year+. All you did was go on a rant that sounded good in theory when youre ignorant of what's actually happening yet proclaiming we should all be unhappy about it. You gave no actual examples of what was wrong . All you said was fix everything behind the scenes and get ahead of the curve and stop accepting half assed measures which you couldn't name. Now 1 hire made you giddy ?

Funny how in such a short period of time I picked the guy they actually signed and they got the number 1 pick in the draft and they hired an ex TB exec who has a very good resume to continue the good work Getz has already been doing building a foundation based on player development for far less than $160M. The tide has turned and the Fire Getz thread is long gone from the front page despite the many tears of the disenchanted amidst those coaches and players who have all bought into Getz' vision. My own vision was for the Sox to reestablish themselves in the Asian market ( early in this thread) and they did it and it didnt cost nearly as much as I anticipated. 1st time in 20 years. I didnt expect it to happen since it was a fantasy scenario thread with mystery money provided by the Ishbia's. Progress is happening. Everyone is now seeing it .

Almost assuredly in true baseball fashion he'll be referred to as Moonie when his manager and teammates talk about him.

Thats strange about college freshmen. Why are HS seniors eligible at presumably 18 yrs old but most 19 or 20 yr olds arent ? You'd think if you're good enough to play for a big time college program at those ages and excel that's more impressive than inflated HS numbers against what is usually far inferior pitching.

I was dead wrong about his contract and you were as close as or closer than anyone when you said 3/$45M. Of course I never thougt the Sox had much of a chance at signing him because I also noted the Sox hadn't given out more than a 2 year contract since JR hired Getz. What puzzles me is there was a thread that talked about if you could sign a certain type of free agent ( I forget the parameters) who would you sign and I know I said Murakami. But despite searching I cannot find that thread. Maybe the whole thread got deleted if it degenerated into Star Wars Revenge of the Sith. It wasn't that long ago since it talked about the off season.

Moon-Aaaaye !!! The Fonz 👍

Oh you used Murakami- Sama which means God. So now the Sox have the Pope and a God !

Took Ohtani early in his 1st spring training to make an adjustment. Eric Hinske suggested a toe tap instead of the leg kick he had to improve timing , gain more barrrel control, and contact out in front of the plate.

Can't college freshman and sophomores do the same ?

Veeck would do it !

I know we hear that this is a high talent level draft and there could be kids who come on strong during the season but as of now is the talent level greater among the college kids or HS kids ? Don't you think that with a decent core in the making now that its possible that 2 of the top 3 picks could be collegians with an eye on 2028 and 2029 to be back to being a lot more competitive if Cholowski and a high quality collegian in the 2nd round is available who has a high ask that might be available to the Sox ?

Any Getz victory is a White Sox victory. Are you not OK with that ?

Sure but not really if the plan is to sell the team when he dies he might be on the hook for all of a long term deal if he lives longer than expected and the 2029 sale to Ishbia's falls through because JR is still around. It also seems like slightly more than the bare minimum is being allocated to players now. It's a stretch to even imagine $90M spent on players this year and they havent signed anyone to a 3 year + deal since Getz was hired. Indications are he hardly wants to be on the hook for 2 year contacts unless the player can be traded. Plus even less likely with the good possibility of paying players through a lengthy work stoppage in 2027 which he doesnt like doing.

Rodriquez influence already ?

And it will continue. Not expecting a 90% approval rating. He done good and questionably things. Even though Ive been at the forefront of the give him a chance he's trying to change something thats been bad a very long time brigade, theres still no money left for the roster. It seems like with JR he's given up trying to compete which he's already admitted about the current location of the team without a support village of moneymaking attractions around it. So more money than usual is going into infrastructure. That's the complete opposite of how JR used to operate where the 26 man roster was the focus based on the money mostly from attendance and TV advertising, merchandising etc. JR crys poor when he can't treat both with equal attention. Its only infrastructure now because it takes less money to support then a roster that requires more than half a billion dollars to compete. Ohtani was $700M alone and the Dodgers have to pay many many other players over the length of that 10 year contract with $68M deferred annually .

Im impressed that under further review you can say your initial take on Getz was lacking evidence to draw any meaningful insight. It's also something that most angry fans hardly ever admit that their ignorance in things that go on behind the scenes is not always a simple, defining equation of guilt . Kudos ! In court its called circumstantial evidence.

I think it can't be stated enough that Getz emphasizes a team effort in many important decisions . There are scouts and heads of departments and analytical data people who are all likely consulted on player acquistion. Getz just doesnt wake up one morning and say to Carlos Rodriguez hey do you want to be Asst.GM ? This could've been in the works since he lost his last job. I'm sure someone keeps track of execs from other clubs and their histories, like a scouting report of executives. One guy cannot be an expert in all facets of creating what Getz is trying to create and he's likely aware of his weak points. This is why you surround yourself with people with good reputations in other areas of team and culture building.

Mainly because showing our front office some respect is not an easy thing to do for many people until the results start showing up on the diamond. But generally people are good with a former front office Tampa Bay executive being hired.

And most of this has happened after he got rid of Grifol. I think his 1st year on the job was just familarizing just trying to evaluate the people who were still left from the old regime that he wanted gone and making some upgrades that were long overdue. After that came the major hirings that are still ongoing. I kept saying that fans dont really buy into structural changes . The backlash was always " we' ve heard all this before" and the running joke about the early KC hires. But it's pretty clear now that he's getting some respect. Im glad your post outlined as much as you can remember. Ive been doing it piecemeal throughout the process and felt the backlash because it just takes a while for most serious organizational practices to change the outcomes on the field. And without backing from ownership to put real money into the roster it's still a battle that is extremely difficult to win until it translates to sustainable success on the field, even moreso with Covid, labor disputes and interference from the meddling owner who never realized the importance of putting money into multiple layers of player development domestically and abroad. JR will get praised for having some high ( for him) payrolls but a lot of things got neglected when the player payroll was high.