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QUOTE(TheHolyBovine @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 06:23 PM) Yeah, I've been paying attention buddy. I just know more about baseball than you. Batting average means nothing. Runs scored, power, and OBP mean everything. Your precious CF comes up short in everything that matters. Apparently you weren't paying attention again to what you said this time. You said the CF is an automatic out. That refers to batting average. An out means you don't get a hit . A hit increases your batting average, an out decreases your batting average. Baseball 101 Mr. "You Know more about baeball than me" . All I said is that everyone is is more of an automatic out than the CF which is true.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 06:33 PM) Wite, I was going to go through with it, but it was going to fall on deaf ears. Since when has the number of hits and stolen bases been the best indicator of who is the best offensive player on the team is? Erstad hasn't stolen a base in a week, and this team isn't stealing bases anyways. Now how is it 3 weeks is too early to evaluate a player yet apparently 1 month is an acceptable amount of time (over a 6 month season) is enough to tell people to eat crow? I don't recall anyone saying Brain was never going to be sent down during the season. Just as what I say falls on deaf ears. When everyone was assuming BA would be sent down after it was announced Erstad had won the CF job I was one of the few to say he'd stay with the team. Its not like I hate BA . Hell I wish he'd be a greeat player as I wish every Sox player could be . I'm just annoyed that there's so much venom directed towards players especially a pros pro like Erstad. All you hear around here about the offense is that we rely too much on homeruns and this is an all or nothing offensive team so when a guy like Erstad comes around you hear the exact opposite . Now his OPS sucks which is a stat mostly based on power production. Its like this site is bi polar. You cant cry about the all or nothing offense then get a table setter like Erstad and cry about his OPS. All I'm saying is its time to move on and find another scapegoat. He isnt the reason the offense sucks just part of the reason along with 8 other guys. QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 11:16 PM) I think I'm gonna have 10 kids and tell them all to hate Darin Erstad LOL go to bed , you have school in the morning !

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 06:03 PM) Albert Belle was still playing when Erstad had 240 hits. Seeing as how the second most hits he's ever had in a season is 177, I think it's safe to assume that 240 was a career year and he'll never come close to that again. And, part of the reason people are so critical of Erstad is because he IS coming off seasons of multiple injuries. How can you use that to defend him? I still figure he's bound to get injured, but if he can be healthy and produce, I'll be fine. I still won't like him, but I'll be fine. Sweet, a .260 average. Let's send his ass to the All-Star game. Erstad having the highest average on this team is the exact same thing as being the tallest midget. He has sucked, as have like 7 others in the normal lineup. LOL, have you ever listened to yourself before? I mean, it's horrible for people to say the guy sucks because he's hitting .260 on April 29th, but it's perfectly acceptable to say the guy is great because he's hitting .260 on April 29th? I don't think there are any foots going in any mouths yet. I bet you're one of those guys who was calling Jermaine Dye "dead" when he got off to the slow start the year the Sox acquired him. I'd bet my bottom dollar you're no older then 22. You can't see the forest for the trees. Its easy to defend Erstad because he was injured. The Sox signed him because he was healthy. Odds were he'd be rusty. If he's healthy and produces you'll be fine ??? Well I was really worried about you . Thank God you'll be fine ! And pray tell if he is healthy and produces why wouldn't you like him ? Because he made you look like a fool perhaps ? The Sox needed an upgrade in CF and got one . They improved the team. No one is saying he's great or is an All star so don't even try to make it seem like I said those things. What I said is its a long season (meaning theres still a chance that he will get injured or be a non productive player) and as of this moment he's the least of the teams worries. So basically its time to STFU and root for your team and learn to see more than whats in front of your nose. Hopefully you learn a little patience before you start producing offspring.

QUOTE(TheHolyBovine @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 08:26 AM) We don't have great talent. Without Thome, only Konerko and Dye are above-average offensively at their respective positions. Everyone else is average or below. To answer your question: We'll hit better when we no longer have automatic outs in LF and CF. You haven't been paying attention have you ? The guy in the regular lineup with the highest batting average is the CF. And right now we have automatic outs just about everywhere in the lineup considering everyone but the CF is hitting below .225.

I guess this thread is no longer needed since Anderson is no longer. Its amazing to me that people were so quick to write off a player who once had 240 hits in a season , has won 2 gold gloves at 2 positions , was coming off a season with an injury and few at bats , and a guy whose ex teammates praised constantly for his leadership and approach to the game. Not only is Estad fielding well he's the highest hitting guy on the team of those not injured. 1st in hits and stolen bases. 2nd in runs scored and doubles. 3rd in total bases. Lesson learned kiddies. Don't be too quick to judge. Patience is a virtue. Open mouth insert foot , hope it taste good along with your crow. It's a long season but as of now Erstad is the least of this team's worries.

QUOTE(Jim Spencer @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 05:54 AM) In the summer of 77, I was going into the 6th grade and it was the 1st summer I had ever gotten excited about the SOX. Zisk, Gamble and Soderholm really set the Scoreboard off that summer Not to mention Jim Spencer had 2 games about a week apart with 8 rbi's in each game . The start of Nancy Faust playing "Na na na na Hey hey hey goodbye " and the many curtain calls after homeruns. The fans were electrified even more so it seems than the 2005 season.

In the original Thome injury thread , I said he'd go on the 15 day DL and Williams wouldn't go outside the organization citing the Toby Hall example. I heard the Sweeney news on Comcast.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 28, 2007 -> 07:55 PM) You honestly believe Thome will be fine after two weeks? Yes, why do u have reason to belive otherwise besides pessimism ?

I had graduated high school the year before and had not yet found the route to California. So for those of you who weren't even born yet click the link and learn a bit of recent Sox history and for those of you who remember it feel free to leave your thoughts and observations on that season . http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...sp&c_id=cws

QUOTE(zenryan @ Apr 28, 2007 -> 11:21 AM) 2 of the 11 draft picks were wearing Sox hats at their home while being drafted. I'm pretty sure it's for fashion but I still liked it! Landry out of LSU to Washington Willis out of Ole Miss to SF Ha u suck I was just about to post that ! Someone help us out and post some pictures.

It's fun to check this site out if you've never been to MLB auction site before . You have to register with MLB.com to bid and you can check out what's up for bid team by team. The Buerhle card is currently at $126.51 and has less then 7 hrs to bid on it. Good luck ! Here's the link ... http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/...mp;noMoreSubs=Y

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 11:01 PM) I saw Dante Bichette hit for the cycle, live and in person. The guy isn't exactly fast, and I don't even remember much about it, but I remember it happened. Alphonse Dante Bichette hit for the cycle June 10, 1998 in Coors field against the Texas Rangers which the Rockies lost 9-8.. Was a 5 tool player, whose best years were with the Rockies . No doubt benefitted greatly from the Coors Field effect. Had a great arm. Led the league in HR's , RBI's and hits on separate occasions and was a 30/30 guy somewhere around his prime. Finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1995. Here's a box score of the cycle game. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-scores...id=199806100COL I found the baseball card commemorating the Dante Bichette Cycle. Its from Score, Card #TC9 (The Cycle) . Was a special insert card not sure of the year maybe 1999 or 2000.

I could have swore I have a baseball card that said Lance Johnson hit for the cycle once.

Hey Drew I'd like to go Sunday. I'll buy u a beer for your birthday. If you're picking up tix let me know. I might have some fellow Sox fan friends who want to go also. U might want to message hi8is also. He might be up for going . EIther have this thread pinned or PM me.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) So....I was thinking about who we could acquire to play DH against RHP if Thome is out for a month or two, and one name comes to mind as a very possible candidate: a .354 batting average with a .956 OPS in AAA. He has two WS rings. He's none other than Timo Perez. C'mon Timo ! C'mon Timo ! C'mon Timo !!

Just guessing based on my own experience with a rib injury from swinging a bat. Usually its the lowest rib on the side of the rib cage that faces the pitcher when you're batting. Depending on how badly u tweaked it a stint on the 15 day DL is not out of the question. He'll probably be fine after that. Personally I doubt we'll go hunting for a replacement . Williams didnt do it for Toby Hall and I doubt he does it with Thome. Citron will get more PT. He has options on bringing up any number of players from the minors who would get very little playing time if its only a 15 day injury. Still doesn't look like JD will bat 3rd like many of us prefer . Looks as though Konerko will bat 3rd and Dye 4th. I also have a sneaking suspicion it just might be his back instead of the rib.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:25 PM) Not if he gets CSN. All Sox games will be blacked out on Extra Innings. I don't know how it is in Champaign but I get Comcast and MLB extra innings here in california and I just get the feeds from the opposing team while Comcast is blacked out.

Hey whats more important a Sox winner or Erstad doing good again? Without Erstad sucking no one wants to say anything positive ??? 6 responses in the winners thread is crapola around an hour after the game ended.

Pay for the MLB extra innings on DirecTV . That will solve all your problems.

QUOTE(whitesoxgirl0838 @ Apr 22, 2007 -> 05:46 PM) hahahaha...man. i love dumb people just as much as u do...GO ERSTAD! Welcome to Soxtalk !

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 22, 2007 -> 05:24 PM) Is .223 excuseable because they've faced good pitchers? Maybe , if it isn't I'm sure you'll tell me. If the pitching holds up , who knows , maybe we'll be the hitless wonders again. Should be a fun season. Loosen up a bit.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Apr 22, 2007 -> 03:27 PM) If you want to construct a team of line drive hitters that's one thing, but to expect this Sox team to become that is folly. That's not they way they were built. By the way off the top of my head, the Sox have faced Sabathia twice, Santanna, Harden, Verlander Millwood, and Robertson so far this season. That's pretty tough and that they are where they are so far is a pretty good sign, imo. How dare you look at the bright side of things ! You sir are a kool-aid drinking rose colored glasses fool ! Damn your optimism to hell ! Is green really necessary here ?

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 22, 2007 -> 04:33 PM) Who cares about his base running skills if he doesn't get on base? This team has more than enough leadership. We need less bad baseball players in order to be successful. So an expert talent evaluator such as yourself only needs 16 games to know Erstad won't hit .275 for the whole season ? QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Apr 22, 2007 -> 04:41 PM) I believe a common misconception among baseball fans is a general manager and manager have to be considered "experts" since, after all, they do hold a valuable baseball position. Williams? I would consider him an expert. Guillen? Not so much. I'm convinced half this board could make gut decisions and hold grudges against younger players. I have to agree with you there. Especially the part about half the board. They might be no better than Guillen when it comes to having favorite players and be just as stubborn about who they play and why. But Guillen really is an expert because of his insight on what makes a good major league player. He's been there done that. None of us have and as in most things in life you are more valuable with experience.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 22, 2007 -> 04:30 PM) ...and we wouldn't have posters like yourself make excuses for players sucking ass. Is Ozzie trying to trigger's Grinderstad's 2008 $6 million option before the waiver deadline? Is every player in baseball a superstar or did I miss something ? As with most of the posters who support Erstad (and there are way more then the louder more obnoxious ones might have u think) we just support the team as a whole and try to leave the managing and general managing to the experts of which you are not one.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Apr 22, 2007 -> 02:08 PM) It's too early to be bashing our players and manager. Let's wait till September. Waiting doesnt play well around here. But you've been around long enough to know that. There are always the know-it-all, stat head , fantasy baseball geeks who think they know every facet of a game most of them have never played and wouldnt know a good team player, bad defense, or the difference between good n bad baserunning, or leadership if it jumped up and bit them on the ass.