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I can't wait till Billy Hamilton retires. Then I'll just have to see you suggesting him as a coach rather than a player. ?

Chis Flexen 2021 Age 26 ,179.2 IP , 3.61 ERA , 3.89 FIP, 1.25 WHIP, 6.3 K/9 2022 Age 27, 137.2 IP, 3.73 ERA, 4.49 FIP, 1.329 WHIP, 6.2 K/9 2023 Age 28, 102.1 IP, 6.86 ERA, 6.22 FIP, 1.671 WHIP, 6.5 K/9 Lucas Giolito 2021, Age 26, 178.2 IP, 3.53 ERA, 3.79 FIP, 1.103 WHIP, 10.1 K/9, 11th in CY 2022 Age 27, 161.2 IP, 4.90 ERA, 4.06 FIP , 1.435 WHIP, 9.9 K/9 2023 Age 28, 184.1 IP, 4.88 ERA, 5.27 FIP, 1.313 WHIP, 10 K/9 The last 3 years of Flexen and Giolito are not that dissimilar. Obviously Lucas has a longer track record, much better K /9 and more innings. If Flexen had a combined statistical season in 2023 lets say halfway between his '21 and '22 stats he'd be looking at being a decent part of the Mariners rotation in his 1st year of Arbitration in 2024. 1 bad year for a 4th or 5th starer type after 2 years of solid production apparently made him worth a minor league contract in the eyes of many here. Yet Lucas got 2 years and $38M. Is the difference between them over the last 3 years that big of a difference to warrant the vast differences in how some of our fans view Flexen and at least 1 GM viewed Giolito ? I'm real good with this type of flyer. 29 year old starting pitcher with stats in 2 of his last 3 years that would be very acceptable on the 2024 Sox.

Well there goes @bmags86 hero.

He was your typical Sox player that failed the rebuild ,had stuff but couldn't put it all together. Extremely inconsistent but underlying stats say he has value . That's why the Braves wanted him. Do good but then fall off the map types or guys who were often injured or didnt live up to the hype. Kopech,Giolito, Anderson, Moncada,Eloy ,Madrigal, Vaughn, Rodon, Collins, Fulmer. Robert, Jr. until last year which by then was too late to matter. Cease you could've expected a worse year after his 2022 but not quite as bad. Still showed no better command, velo dipped slightly. A lot of stats tell you he has a tremendous amount of value along with his durability. Guys have talent but injuries but a lot of lack of development also.

Outside of Maldonado, Getz seem to be enamored with white Boy Scouts. Next thing you know Sox will hire a team Chaplain. I'm seeing a lot of Dayton Moore in Getz.

Pretty much everything they do is questionable but no matter how you slice it, it's a rebuild. But instead of taking the best prospects they are limiting themselves to higher floor older prospects AA/AAA to try to compete asap. They are just so innovative !

No idea what you are talking about. The Astros goal while rebuilding was to get the highest draft pick in multiple years. They did quite well at it. The Sox goal while rebuilding was the same as the Astros. They failed. I consider tanking and rebuilding in the same breath. This tank the Sox are undertaking right now is a rebuild. We're stripping the team of valuable assets in exchange for perceived valuable assets known as prospects. The success or failure depends on the many prospects to develop and be productive MLB players. To your other point culture is talked about plenty here and has been mentioned in all kinds of podcasts and written articles from any source that covers the Sox and many national outlets because that's what the FO is feeding them. But the whole time, Reinsdorf seems to escape the lions share of the blame for creating the losing culture . It was Hahn, Kenny, coaches, players. Every player playing, every scout scouting, every coach coaching all hired by the owner owning. The quantity and the quality that winning organizations do as opposed to what Reinsdorf does. That's your losing culture. Plenty of teams had asshat players and coaches. Winners call that colorful. Losers say bad culture which actually means it's the players who didn't try or did not learn, did not execute because they lacked, commitment, heart, dedication. It starts at the top not the bottom. Gravity doesn't work that way.

I love it. Old pop culture Gong show reference to the unknown comic. It's like Spielbergian Ready Player One worthy.

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Hahn spent too much to make the Sox too good when they were supposed to be tanking so they never got the ultra high draft choices Houston did while they were tanking. Getz might be doing a better job at securing more losses when you can't even get rewarded for being good at losing any more. This is tragically hilarious. Only the White Sox could be preaching culture and have people actually falling for that new age , Disney line of BS. Are they trying to win baseball games or build future leaders of the free world ? They created that losing culture. It's the new regime throwing the old regime under the bus without somehow indicting the ring leader of that culture.

Apparently you should be asking yourself in regards to future acquisitions "What is his Culture Index Quotient" ? This is the ability to inspire your team mates by your work ethic, leadership , TWTW and buying drinks for your teammates at the hotel bar and telling them how you all pulled together to cheat your way to more wins.

If by contend you mean rising to the top of the miserable Central I suppose anything is possible.

The best way to change the culture is by winning. Nothing brings players closer than celebrating a hard fought victory . Culture does not exist for a bunch of stiffs battling for roster spots who barely spend any time together battling on the same battlefield. The Sox roster is chum and the walking dead.

That was shut long ago by all but the most paranoid of Sox fans. He was always too expensive.

I had forgot they also signed Chuckie Robinson. Maybe some of these guys are being hired to mentor the young catchers in the finer points of singing kumbaya.

I like Beavers myself. Primed for a big year .

There it is. Thank you. It's all just turning over the roster, roster churning, call it whatever you will. It's a Hail Mary , a wing and a prayer, a wish upon a star. How do you do ? Out with the old in with the new in another JR stew. Right before your eyes. We'll pull laughter from the skies Then he laughs until he cries. Then he dies, then he dies.

Lol what other choice do they have. Please enlighten me with a better plan that makes sense with our current 40 man roster and owner. Lay it out for me. Show me your baseball IQ.

They might as well hire a priest to pray for the prospects to all show remarkable health and huge statistic leaps. Either that or a crossroads deal with a demon.

I don't think they could win the AZL title.

I think the only reason they may have $130M payroll is because JR says that's what you are getting so spend it on what you think we need to... (Fill in the blank). The whole starting pitcher staff could be traded at the deadline or whichever ones out perform expectations. If they got another $10M to spend try getting another guy who has a decent shot to be flipped. They're going to flipping as many short term contracts as they can. The 2024 trade deadline will be just like the 2023 deadline without the veteran pitchers to bring in a few prospects. It's all about what you can get for Fedde, Soroka Kopech , Toussaint and Scholtens, basically whoever can stick in the rotation long enough and manages to have decent stats. That can be none of them or if we get lucky 2 of them.

If they signed Kiermaier I might believe that but I think you have to be on your last legs dumpster dive or a AAAA type to play for the sox in 2024. Keirmaier has yet to regress to the putrid stage.

You gotta be bleeping me ! This year isn't going to be about trying for wins. I'd be 100% floored if the Sox spent money on 6 more guy you mentioned. 2024 is about getting anyone in the Starting rotation and Moncada and Eloy traded and clearing as much payroll as possible off the books and gathering as many prospects as they can with a year or 2 of playing for the Sox. If Maldonado is a done deal already even that shocks me unless after a year off Stassi can't cut it. I see zero reason for him otherwise when you have Lee, Perez and Hackeburg for peanuts .

I'm talking about putting up some numbers that look good enough to trade for. I'm surely not talking about win loss records. There are are plenty of ways for the pitchers to show they are good without the FO thinking they are tricking someone.They need tradable assets and they need some short term pieces to step up. Good coaching ,good defense and a catcher who calls a good game are all keys to helping a pitching staff . He's just doing what's necessary to get out of a hole not thinking it's some master plan. Just hoping all that stuff turns some question marks into prospects. Everybody needs pitching at the deadline. It's not just the short term SP that needs to step up it's short term guys like Moncada, Eloy and even a guy under contract for longer like Benintendi to show that they they have value so they can be traded. There's zero reasons to keep any of those guys.