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LOL the owner of Soxtalk just called the front office trash. Certain people can say things like you and get roasted because almost everything you say is negative and you rinse and repeat. I don't see anything wrong with that . Opposing viewpoints is what makes a message board tick,but it does give the Soxtalk sunshiners some ammo . But the poll showed the majority of people had no faith in the front office finishing the job. I'm not here saying it's a done deal. I'll believe they can do a little more until about a week until the season starts.

Can i get a .gif that shows Hahn painting himself into a corner ?

Dangling that carrot , the Reinsdorf way.

Syndergaard got $21M for a year after basically not pitching for 2 yrs. He's in the same boat Rodon was in last year when Rodon signed for $3M. Much better pitcher than Rodon over the course of his career of course but Rodon was the healthier one last yr and had the best year of his career even if it was only half a yr. of greatness which was pretty much expected anyway coming off hardly pitching for 2 yrs. The Sox got a shitload of surplus value from him. Do you think Thor is going pitch the same amount of innings this year as Rodon did last year with the same results ? Verlander got $25M plus a player option for 2023 for another $25M with the caveat that he pitch 130 innings in 2022. Again better career but same boat as Syndergaard with missing most of the last 2 seasons and he's 10 yrs older than Rodon. SF and Houston want to win and are willing to take their chances. Same with the Angels . Teams do these kind of things all the time. It's not that crazy. You just had 3 examples of it for 2022. I guarantee one thing. Houston,Angels and SF will not be letting Verlander, Rodon and Thor go 6 or more innings 10 times in his 1st 18 starts of the season like the Sox did with Rodon. They treated Rodon like he had 170 IPs the season before under his belt. Smart teams don't do that and you can bet your ass if any one of Verlander and Thor pitch as well as Rodon did last year they still won't do it.

Thanks for the historical perspective. Seems weird to me that anyone would say its holding a grudge. If it happened in your lifetime we all rehash what could have been regarding our beloved team. To me its the same as talking about guys we didn't sign or mistakes and bad signings. What would have happens if we didn't make certain trades? If talking about them and wishing for better makes you a bad person then I guess we are all bad people for wanting different outcomes. You weren't the 1st person to suggest Reinsdorf isn't the ideal owner and you won't be the last. If anyone here complains about Reinsdorf I guess we should all be condemned as holding grudges and try harder to live up to SS2K5's moral superiority.

That's the sense I got from listening to Krall (GM) after the Sonny Gray, Winker and Suarez trades. But in my post about it I also said it could be BS.

And I , for one, would be thrilled if you are right and if I was unequivocally, undeniably wrong.

I made the poll to gauge how much of the board thought we would get someone like Conforto and another starting pitcher because there was a lot of bashing of the people talking negatively about the Sox Front office or the process and that it was coming from a small but loud subset of Soxtalk. The poll showed it was the majority who felt that way. It's idiotic to bash positive people because that's generally a good attitude to have . It's more idiotic to tell the majority of people who feel the same about the off season up to this point, that they are just loud,obnoxious miserable fans. My comments to Ptatc were never about me ,except to say I was part of that majority.

You have me at a disadvantage . You're a mod and I am not. You're allowed to be feisty ( a word I chose carefully) and insulting .I got suspended for it. So I won't go that route with you.

C'mon Ptatc I know I'm annoying to some people because I call a spade a spade. However it usually swings a lot more in the other direction. The whiners, complainers, the eeyore mob whatever you want to call them .What they usually hear is how miserable and unhappy we are and maybe it's time to find another team or hobby that's more relaxing. One longtime mod is famous for that. It is possible to love your hometown team, love baseball but be a bit unhappy about the way things are going and state your case about it. We whiners don't whine about optimistic people because we see a lot of what they see. They might hear about "rose colored glasses" and "carrying water" once in a while but no one ever tells them " Hey you like the Sox too much , go find another team."

It's in Pale Hose Talk. Might get a kick out of it. I know I did.

I haven't lost it. I display my sentiments pretty dispassionately because I've seen it so many times before . I feel for @Chicago White Sox because he thought they would treat a division winner better than they treated semi contending teams. Every year he's so optimistic that this is the year we sign the big free agent solution or TLR convinces JR to open his wallet and when he does it's to TLR type guys . It's the old out of touch manager whispering in the ear of the old out of touch owner with support from the GM who thinks a good draft idea is taking relief pitchers. It's the new market inefficiency right ?

Eminor doesn't post enough anymore to qualify as having lost it , but he was in here talking about the bad process if I am recalling right.

Check the "myopic" thread.

I think I said that a month ago.Maybe it was longer ago, before the lockout. But I still hope I'm wrong !

Sheets reminds me of Matt Stairs who in his prime for 3 years (1997-1999) was a pretty good hitter 1B/OF type. Hung around for 19 years. 265 Career HR's. One of those LH professional hitter types like Michael Brantley only a step below. Brantley higher batting average more doubles less homers,more AB's on a year to year basis.

Comparing LF to RF is a joke and you know it. Was Vaughn a better LF than Sheets was a RF ? Yes but try comparing apples to apples and getting a decent sample size. Adam Engel was a far superior LF than his RF self if you use the same formula you did without regard for the true use of defensive stats. There are some here who think Vaughn is also a better 1st baseman than Sheets. Using UZR 150 in 81 innings at 1st Sheets was a .9 . Vaughn was a -4.5 in 99.2 innings. Yet I'm willing to admit the data sample is far to small to draw any conclusions and that there are other defensive stats besides UZR 150 but the common thread is that they were all designed to use a large sample size . See how easy it is to be fair.

Blatant misuse of defensive stats . 1st of all you used UZR150 Stats which is based on 150 games. Gavin didn't even have 150 innings in the OF let alone 150 games. You said UZR not UZR 150 so I don't know if you are intentionally misrepresenting facts or just made a mistake. I'm no sabermetric expert but all defensive stats require a good amount of data to be useful. I could go to DRS and say Sheet was a 0 in LF and Vaughn was a -2 but that would also misrepresent the data samples. I could also use DRS to say Sheets was a -2 in RF while Vaughn was a minus -3 . I know you added caveats about sample size but then you say "So far Sheets looks Fisk bad". This looks pretty much like you are twisting things to the way you want people to see them.

The Sox just need some of the core young pieces to stay on the field and be what we all think they should be especially Eloy and Robert. That would be a huge boost to the offense. Moncada finding some HR's from both sides of the plate would help too. Not asking for 30 from him but 20+ would be welcome. Starting pitching would be helped tremendously by another step forward from Cease and a Kopech showing he can raise his level much higher. Vaughn could improve greatly too and I think anyone would welcome Sheets if he was just as good this year as he was last year over a full season if they can figure out a way to get both 500 AB.

Don't see how you came to that conclusion. There's not even close to a big enough sample size of either one's defense in RF to determine that.

Not necessarily. RF is much harder to play .Vaughn didn't distinguish himself in RF nor did Sheets. Far too few innings for either one in RF to establish if one is far better than the other one.

I don't get the impression the Reds are ready to trade either Castillo or Mahle or that they are rebuilding listening to their GM Nick Krall after the Winker and Suarez trades. He talked about opening some payroll space to sign some Free Agents. It could all be BS. https://www.mlb.com/reds/video/krall-on-trading-winker-suarez?t=trade-talk

The best ability a good player can have to make him a great player is "availability". Once Robert shows he can stay on the field the possibilities are limitless. Eloy has the same problem. Robert has less than a full seasons worth of games under his belt and Eloy has less than 2 seasons. Robert was spectacular when he came back last year, Eloy not so much. We need them both to exhibit that availability.