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Well that's the thing . You have to have some degree of patience with prospects. We all bemoan trading away Tatis Jr. and then turn around and say everyone else is a bust . Some will fail some will succeed. So we trade away guys now you think are busts but who project to be decent 2 way players like Basabe , Rutherford, Walker ,Gonzales among our OF's. They have to be given more time because if you think they are busts then we aren't getting much for them anyway and will have to trade the guys like Collins, Lopez, Cease, Dunning, Vaughn , Stiever, Madrigal or even Robert. I sure don't want to trade Robert or any of them really. At least not until I see some good free agents signed.

I never said JBJ would kill off the rebuild. In a previous post with you I said he would be great. But maybe he will be a non tender and if so he' goes straight to the top of the list for who I want.

I know but the premise is the same trading for a 1 year player and giving up assets for him when you can get Brett Gardner . I know I used Dickerson before but I know he hasn't played right field at all .

I guess I just have fundamental differences on how to build a team from this point forward with you guys. Bmags, we think alike on most everything else except the trading for 1 year players with expectations of resigning them. It's just way too risky especially giving up the few valuable pieces left in the system. Mainly because so may current pieces have not established themselves, it's a huge risk knowing that in order to win guys like Kopech , Cease and Lopez really must improve in a hurry while also hoping guys like Moncada and Anderson just didn't have career years in 2019, Is getting 1 player in RF so important that you risk killing off the whole rebuild when you can't resign them and you're left with a bottom 5 minor league system while also knowing the Sox treat IFA with feigned interest at best ? Is the difference between say Corey Dickerson and Betts/Pederson really so vast that the risk is worth taking ?

Sounds about right to me.

I just don't think it's a choice about offering developmental time in 2020. It's a fact injuries set the rebuild back but it will still be the 4th year of the rebuild. I do understand wanting to maximize 2020 but it's just seems too big of a reach with so many young guys in the 1st year of success and most of the young pitchers not even that far along. If the Sox decide they want to make the playoffs in 2020, I guess we will know that in the coming months by their successes in signing some high level free agents. If they fail and get some guys but nothing in the top tier, especially pitching ,then it's wait for 2021 and maybe getting some of those questions answered in 2020. Also I think you meant a switch has been flipped rather than a flip has switched .

The Sox will take Cespedes ,Nimmo and their #1 prospect Ronny Mauricio and Met's don't have to pay any part of Cespedes salary . Would that work ? Basically $30M and Nimmo's salary of our payroll space for 2020 and beyond that just Nimmo's salary .

He'll be 34 in 2020 and making $29.5M. He also might miss part of 2020 due to his non baseball related injury on his ranch where he fractured an ankle. Since 2016 he's had 478 plate appearances. The Mets have been exploring trying to get out of that contract but aren't likely to succeed. He may never play again. Nothing about him is buy low. He's a hobbling disaster.

Sox seem to be fast tracking Johnson. He might be up sooner than thought . Not sure if he starts the season in AA since he is doing very well in the 1st half of the AFL season. More likely AA but with the Olympics interrupting his season they might start him higher and after the Olympics maybe Chicago. However that is best case scenario and I don't expect it to play out that way.

1st and foremost Sox have to make better use of the guys who are non tendered. Last year they could 've picked some decent talent and but didn't pursue anyone as far as we know. The Red Sox have projected arbitration salaries of $70M for 12 players. Yes , that's right $70M . It's even possible Jackie Bradley jr. gets non tendered if the Red Sox plan on making a run at quality starting pitching free agents. Another guy I'd keep an eye on is Blake Treinen. A's probably non tender him after a bad season and back problems. He was lights out in 2018 but is your typical up and down season to season reliever but that outstanding 2018 season makes him intriguing Jurickson Profar might also be non tendered. The Reds may non tender Kevin Gausman and look to resign him fast before anyone jumps on him like they did with Aristides Aquino last years. Anyway I'm sure a thread will open up right after Dec. 2nd to discuss this stuff. A's need to rebuild their BP ,might not be a bad idea to see what they think of Colome's worth. A's have some prospects in the OF I wouldn't mind taking a shot at like Greg Deichmann (24) and 20 year old Cuban OF Lazaro Armenteros who is pretty raw but a smaller version of Luis Robert that the A's paid $3M for in IFA. Deichmann is LH and leading the AFL in HR's so far halfway through the Fall league schedule. They also have Luis Berrera who took a big step forward this year but doesn't have much power. He is good enough however to play CF . He is 23 and LH and had a very nice year in AA. I would think AJ Puk and Jesus Luzardo are off limits. Sox could always throw in one of their OF prospects to enhance any deal.

Andrew Vaughn and Tyler Johnson were named to the Team USA 2020 Summer Olympics Baseball team roster. Joe Girardi will mange the team. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/white-sox-prospects-to-represent-team-usa-as-road-to-olympics-begins-562751651.html

In the AFL Fall Stars game Rutherford was 1/2 with a single . Tyler Johnson pitched a perfect inning with a K.

I think anyone talking about getting Nimmo should call it "Finding Nimmo ".

Maybe so but he is among the least of our worries. He does have a track record and isn't old. It's a lot harder to be pessimistic about him also.

There aren't many godlike closers and he isn't one of them due to his K rate. I said he got the job done . If you somehow misconstrue that to mean godlike that's on u. I was just saying he was very good. 11 pitchers in the majors had 30+ saves.Colome was 2nd highest in Save percentage. That's getting the job done at the 2nd best rate in the majors among the top 11 in number of saves. His k/9 was the lowest of the 11. His BA of players facing him was .191 that's 5th among those 11. WHIP 1.07 6th among those guys. Of course there are some guys you might prefer that had less than 30 saves like Ken Giles or Shane Greene.

Let me preface this by saying I think you are one of the best posters on this website. You seem to be thinking Boston is a good trade partner because they are cap conscious. I even understand liking JBJ. I wanted him when he was much younger and for 1 year he would be great. My problem is why do u keep wanting to trade away assets for 1 year players ? It's not the time . The Sox are rising there is still much the Sox have to wait on. Will Moncada maintain , fall, or get even better? Same with Anderson Will Eloy become our version of JDM ? How fast will Lopez ,Cease, Kopech .Dunning become good or will they at all ? Is Gio a legit top of the rotation guy ? Can Collins become the LH power/OBP bat and be a good enough catcher to stick ? Can some of the minor league OF's show enough growth to be counted on for future use ? Will Vaughn rise quickly ? He would have to show a lot in AA this year to even consider him next year and AA is typically not a good place for our talent to take a step forward. How long will Abreu be here and for how much money ? Will he be the primary DH ? Is Eloy the future DH ? Will a guy like Mercedes even get a chance to prove he can be a legit hitter in the majors. Basically he's the only non top draft pick I'd want to see since guys like Sanchez, Leury and Engel Palka Cordell etc have been given chances. I'd really like to see DH handled internally given that we will probably still have Abreu . I really wonder if the Sox have shopped him around at all or are all the rumors about him being here to stay really true. In my mind still way to many questions than answers in the lineup but more so among the starting pitching. That's why getting starting pitching is so important . If the young starting pitching can improve quickly maybe anyone we pick up as a FA can be traded for assets instead of dealing from our quickly diminishing minor league talent now. Make pitching the priority and deal with position players afterwards. I'm much more optimistic about the hitting getting better and having Robert and Madrigal in the lineup than I am with pitchers finding command . There are just too many of them that will need time. If the Sox can get some good FA starting pitching I'd feel much more comfortable making trades.

Better than you remember ? Do you watch the Sox at all ? What did he have 30 saves and 2/3 blown saves ? That a great percentage. WHIP close to 1 which is also great. I know that other stats don't show him as a great reliever in the way some would like but sometimes you just have to trust that regular stats paint a realistic picture of his abilities. In a time where many BP arms go south on an every other year basis he's been very consistently good 4 of the last 5 years. He got the job done and much of the time that all that matters. Too many times some posters get caught up in the minutiae and while that can be beneficial it can also make you trust too much whats on paper and not enough in results or potential such as with very young players.

Or more like " I heard your voice and knew it was directed at me but I have no idea what you said and shrugging is my go to response."

It was very good of you to take the time to do all that work especially considering you don't think that Bumgarner will consider an AL team.

I have to agree with this. There might be 5% of all Sox fans who know the organization, it's history , it's current history, players, strengths,weaknesses.coaches and minor leagues well enough ,without including any personal biases like age etc. to have a fair, informed opinion. And really not even that well informed because you are not on the inside. All that being said since most fans are ignorant of all these things and you know it why spend time criticizing them and just chalk it up to fans being fans (meatballs) and not even talk about them except to praise them . If you don't have anything nice to say about the fans , say nothing at all. But being that you want to sell tickets you better stick to saying only nice things.

Thanks was just wondering. I have thought that playoff innings are crucial barometers and need to be considered when evaluating and comparing pitchers.

It's a lot easier to say the Nats are better than the Dodgers now that they beat then. I'd think that many prognosticators still picked the Dodger's to represent the NL in the World Series even after the AS break. Vegas probably did too. Maybe upgrading their BP wouldn't have helped them beat the Nats. We will never know but in a short series it often comes down to who is hotter at the moment along with the overall talent level. Kelly sure didn't help in the one area they needed the most help nor did they get anyone who could help. It bit them in the ass just as I thought it would after the trade deadline not after the fact.

Well if a small sample size like that get's you a decent contract more than your body of work especially 2 good years in row then the Dodgers deserved what happened to them which was my point from the beginning.

Hire Torii Hunter to be a video analyst on pitchers tells or keep him in the dugout. Plouffe said him and Molitor were the best at it. Isn't that Thome in a Sox uniform in the background and also some Sox painting? Wonder why the Sox stuff . He was never in our organization as far as I know.

This how I have always looked at it. More talent = better chance to win. Do i think Yo's hitting abilities are tied to the position he plays ? No. Do I want Yo happy ? Yes Do I think Yo will be unhappy about switching positions again ? Maybe, initially, but he'd get over it hitting next to Rendon in the line up. Key question . Will he be able to play OF or 2nd base well enough to also be an asset in the field ? IDK but I sure wouldn't dismiss the idea based on Yo's unhappiness or the ability to extend him. That may happen regardless Conclusion . Winning makes you happy.